Number1RedWingsFan52
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Matthews will be resigned before offer sheets can go out, Better offer sheet Marner he's a more realistic target here.
Matthews will be resigned before offer sheets can go out, Better offer sheet Marner he's a more realistic target here.
I will also point out that this is a live by the sword die by the sword move. You over pay Matthews to come to Detroit and in a couple years Detroit has to start fending off offer sheets on their best players.
Step 1: GMs break the unwritten code, and offer sheet players much more frequently.
Step 2: It turns into an open war of finances, with salary cap gymnastics getting insane.
Step 3: The next CBA includes language to help save GMs from themselves.
(And Step 4 is GMs finding the next thing to shoot themselves in the foot with.)
Also, going by McKenzie's quote it seems teams are considering this more seriously anyway. If teams across the league decide that offersheeting RFA is going to be a thing, it won't matter if the Wings do it to someone or not - another team will target them if they see an opportunity, regardless.
I think draft lottery has changed these strategy things.
Being dead last doesn't quarantee the 1st overall anymore. It didn't do it in the past either, but the proabilities were much higher.
Probability for the 1st overall is 18.5% at best currently. It takes 5,5 dead last finishes to mathematically get cumulative 100% total chance for 1st overall. And even that isn't a quarantee, because it still is a lottery. You can still end up being without a lottery win, and even if you win, it could be a bad draft year with Yakopov-level first talent.
So what is the solution?
Offer-sheet for former 1st picks or best talents, where you pay high-salary and lose 4 first-rounders. Mathematically it would be a working strategy. 4 first-rounders is less than any 4 lottery probabilities together. If your oranization is otherways on a good position, that good times would be ahead, and you don't need those 1st picks for anything, because you have drafted so well on the past, why not?
Getting Matthews with an offer-sheet is a 100% quarantee of a getting Top Elite talent. And if it could be the final piece in the puzzle. If you are an organization who can dig those depth players also from lower rounds, this could be the way to go.
And this should be explored as well, whether it's for a depth center from Toronto or a 3/4 defenseman from Nashville or whomever from wherever. I'm not optimistic that an offer sheet will result in a shrewd deal, but it's simply good business to turn over every rock you can when planning. There's probably analytics to help make a slightly more educated guess for what secondary players are more likely to take that next step, like the data posted on Kevin Hayes.If i did an offer sheet it would be for a 3rd line player we really wanted from a team like Toronto, once they break their cap to pay Marner and Matthews.
Do you think another team with a stacked D-group might trade a 1D and a couple of first rounders for McDavid?NHL isnt about 1 superstar. Does anyone think Our team + McDavid - our next 5 first rounders will actually be a stanley cup contender in the next 5 years?
We really need to stop relying on Edmonton for this kind of hypothetical. They are a mess beyond anything else in the hockey world. They were a mess before Chia and then Chia made some of the worst hockey signings and trades ever. We memed about it here even asking who Holland was going to fleece now that Chia is out of a job.Because I do not. Edmonton is learning this lesson right now. 1 Man does not a team make.
Do you think another team with a stacked D-group might trade a 1D and a couple of first rounders for McDavid?
We really need to stop relying on Edmonton for this kind of hypothetical. They are a mess beyond anything else in the hockey world. They were a mess before Chia and then Chia made some of the worst hockey signings and trades ever. We memed about it here even asking who Holland was going to fleece now that Chia is out of a job.
If the Wings had McDavid we'd be doing MUCH better than Edmonton is with him now.
Correct.Do you think another team with a stacked D-group might trade a 1D and a couple of first rounders for McDavid?
We really need to stop relying on Edmonton for this kind of hypothetical. They are a mess beyond anything else in the hockey world. They were a mess before Chia and then Chia made some of the worst hockey signings and trades ever. We memed about it here even asking who Holland was going to fleece now that Chia is out of a job.
If the Wings had McDavid we'd be doing MUCH better than Edmonton is with him now.
All 3 of those teams are significantly below the cap ceiling and have internal caps. Yeah. It's hard to compete when you're a small market team in a non-traditional hockey market where your best players literally tell you to your face, in public, "I'm leaving."Other examples of failed-ish rebuilds are Columbus // Florida // Arizona. So i guess it would be a better move to start mentioning those teams as examples over Edmonton, you know just to stop comparing regular success and failure vs a tire fire.
My point was you could get McDavid with an offer sheet and then flip him. You're giving up 4 1sts but getting back 2 and a defenseman, which is our most pressing need.a couple of first rounders is not what im talking about. I suppose i should say specifically 4? is it 4 first rounders for an offer sheet at near max money? 2nd I think paying 1 player 12-13M plus is a good way to make sure your team will never win anything.
Offer sheets make much more sense when you are a #1 C or D away from being a competitor. Also in this scenario your 1st is in the 20's not #1 overall. Hopefully he watches the riots in Ottawa after they gift Hughes to Colorado and decides maybe losing the realistic chance at the next hockey prodigy (Lafreniere) isn't worth a piece that ultimately wont make a difference at the end of the day anyways. If you want to rebuild correctly you sit back and rebuild correctly. His "not sitting back" stance is making me nervous as hell.
It depends. If you offer sheet Point, chances are you will contend for a playoff spot. So say that you sign Point at the cost of four first round picks, roughly in the early to mid 20’s.
Would you trade Svech, Cholowski, Mantha and Veleno today for Point? I personally would.
That is a worthwhile gamble for a great, young player imo. I would never fault anyone who feels otherwise though.
I totally get peoples concerns.
I also think that over the next four years, it’s verh unlikely anyone we draft in the first round will be we good as Point.
All other variables aside, I can understand why someone would take that risk.
IMO its a question of timing and unless several stars align this summer (Hughes + Karlsson + unload at least 1 of Nielsen/Abdelkader) it's not the right timing.
It depends. If you offer sheet Point, chances are you will contend for a playoff spot. So say that you sign Point at the cost of four first round picks, roughly in the early to mid 20’s.
Would you trade Svech, Cholowski, Mantha and Veleno today for Point? I personally would.
That is a worthwhile gamble for a great, young player imo. I would never fault anyone who feels otherwise though.