Jim Benning Era Transaction Summary

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    Agree.
    What should we do now?



    I did enjoy what he brought in his initial sample of games here.
    Didn't realize how feisty he was. He likes his scrums. Good scrum game. Probably leads the team in scrums/60.
     
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    Move towards getting benning fired. How idk but more people that admit and realize he’s a bad gm the better
     
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    Well...
    He did come in as the fittest player on the team. As a 32 yr old.
    The kids have commented on how his professionalism or work ethic or whatever they were saying has been great example for them.
    Also a chatty one and supposed good locker room guy..
    Has worked his tail off on his shifts so far.
    A definite asset on the PK before he went down.

    Right from the get go he was brought here for his character and to help stabilize the defensive zone - the latter being clearly a need.

    But i can agree he's probably overpaid... but maybe there are a half dozen other more pertinent issues before you get to Beagle to focus on.

    He's not even a problem right now... he might be in his 3rd or 4th season. You got a yr of Pouliot and couple yrs of Markstrom complaining to do before you have to worry about Beagle.
     
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    At the end of the day he’s still a player that isn’t worth the contract or the length he got, the other “facts” you put out there are irrelevant because all most all veterans are considered good leaders or professional as you almost never hear someone say “oh he’s a crappy person, or lazy player”

    But your right beagle is a symptom of the larger issue which is Jim benning a stewartship of this team
     
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    I guess... But you seem to be trivializing the process of how young players become good professional veterans.
     
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    Are you saying that beagle was the only free agent that could have provided that?

    Or that only free agents that got long term contracts provide that?

    In my mind quality players that bring more to the table than one minor trait do that. Do you see complaints about the vanek deal? No he provided leadership, helped Boeser and was only around for 1 year. Didn’t need a 4year deal
     
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    Remember when bringing veteran experience meant a guy like Rome making like 900k?
     
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    Or Mats Sundin.



    something something Kesler something something
     
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    Yeah, who could forget that franchise crippling 9 month contract
     
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    If Sundin had agreed to the 2 year deal Gillis offered...you'd be singing a different tune.
     
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    2 year deals are really unheard of. :huh:

    Even if he had signed it, it would not have been all than bad. Canucks still had quite a bit of cap room starting the 2009 season (about 7 million) and were quite good manipulating the cap to their advantage. They also had this weird concept of paying players according to their performance . Their 4th line took about 5% of their payroll. This offseason Benning signed a 4th line worth about 10% of their payroll. Not to mention that certain bottom bottom 6 forward he is paying 36m over 6 years.
     
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    Did you guys just compare Mats Sundin to Jay beagle, like the malhotra comparison is bs because Malhotra was clearly a superior player but Sundin is a god d*** hall of famer who was over a point per game the season before. Beagle had less ice time per game in the playoffs than some guy named Stephenson

    The desperation to defend the beagle deal is pathetic. You don’t lose “benning” points for saying it’s a crappy deal that could easily be replaced by another veteran signing for 1-1.5 mil
     
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    It was tongue in cheek for comparing Beagle to a journeyman AHL tweener D man.

    I didn't think you needed to swoop to such pathetic and desperate levels to piss on Benning... but there ya have it.

    Looks good.. carry on...
     
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    Come on. Beagle is clearly the best signing of the summer. 4 years aint bad. Look at the Leafs, they had to hand out a 7y deal which is paid mainly in signing boni to get their C
     
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    When Rome started his first season with the Canucks he had just turned 26 and had 26 NHL games under his belt. At the same age Beagle was sitting at 41 games. He is pretty much a career 4th liner who is a face off specialist. There isnt much that is seperating him from a journeyman AHL tweener but his face off skills and battle level. To me that sounds like someone you sign for 1-2 years for maybe a million and a half.

    I am sure people would love Beagle if he was on a decend contract but he just isnt.
     
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    And what have they done since they turned 26.

    I'm not sure you believe the arguments you're constructing... just faceoffs and battle level eh.. ok.

    Also didn't you read on the last page that the faceoff thing is an insignificant difference?
     
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    What am I constructing? Beagle is a prototypical 4th liner. Faceoff quality gives him some extra value around the league (no matter what I think about this). Would be great to have on a decent deal but severly overpaid in terms of salary and term. What is it you are disagreeing with?
     
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    Benning’s brother Craig is the new GM of our senior league team up here in Dawson Creek. A social worker and a very nice guy, so I’ve had to bite my tongue a few times when Jim comes up.
     
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    Is that Matts dad?
     
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    He is Brandons uncle.
     
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    What really gets me is all the 'talking heads' and the dispensers of 'conventional wisdom' who pontificate about why you have to have veterans in the lineup to 'provide some protection to the kids'. But what if your veterans just outright suck? I mean what are the Canucks young guys really learning from the likes of Eriksson, Schaller, Gudbranson, Del Zotto, Gagner and Beagle. You don't need overpriced veterans to finish in 29th place every year.

    Seems to me all the kids are learning is that even if your career goes into the toilet, there's always somebody like Benning around you'll throw you a lifeline as a UFA and somehow keep you in the league.
     
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    So let me see if I have this straight.....Leipsic is now on waivers. Meantime two players who were on waivers, Valentin Zykov from the 'Canes and Nikita Scherbak from the Habs, were claimed by Edmonton and L.A. respectively, after the Canucks obviously passed on both. #%#@@# Benning.
     
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    I think Green as a voice since Linden left. I think he wants to build a playoff team. This is a shift in direction precipitated by Petterson's impact, I think. They weren't certain Petterson would transition so well? They are retooling on the fly. Adaptive thinking! This, I'd argue, is new.

    Del Zotto for Schenn might not be an obvious point in this discussion, except Schenn is a big guy that might add grit around guys like Petterson and Hughes. Schenn can play, too and is not the seventh defenseman on this team.
     
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    Schenn is a better defenceman then Guddy
     
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    Schenn can no longer skate at the NHL level...He's not an NHL player anymore....Sounds like you were listening to Botchford.
     

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