Confirmed with Link: Jets sign Adam Lowry to 3 year contract worth $8.75 million

[Gm0ney]

Yeah, everyone know that Lowry is our main offensive threat up front

5th on the Jets in p/60 5v5 is not too shabby.

 

[kittiecarlyle]

Let's hope Adam is prophetic as he said Trouba and the Jets are working out a deal right now, now working ON a deal.

 

[Maukkis]

Giveaways is a meaningless stat. Not only for the reason you listed but also that is tracked entirely subjectively in rink by 31+ different stat trackers. One person might call it a giveaway, another credit to opposing player with a takeaway others not track it all. Hell inside the own game sometimes the same person will make subjective calls that are inconsistent as it's nearly impossible to judge. Both giveaways and takeaways are meaningless in the best of circumstances, very misleading at worst. They are very reputation based as well. You get slightly better results filtering just for away games, but even then it's a terrible stat.

I wouldn't use the word meaningless, but I like misleading a lot. Giveaways are a bit like hits. Sure, hitting more can be interpreted as having more involvement in the game, but then again, you're very likely to be chasing the puck when you're hitting and not controlling it.

Ehlers averages one more giveaway per hour than the next Jets' forward. Do you know what he also does? He is responsible for controlling a lot of our transition game, which, oddly enough, means that he has the puck a lot. Reading too much into a stat like giveaways can give you a horribly misguided idea of what a player is good at.

And @FonRiesen, what parameters did you use to find a stat which has Lowry 4th in giveaways? In my search of giveaways per 60 among all Jets with 250+ minutes at 5v5, he is dead last. Within those parameters, he is fourth in takeaways, though.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Let's hope Adam is prophetic as he said Trouba and the Jets are working out a deal right now, now working ON a deal.

Yes, but does that deal being worked out also involve another NHL team?

 

[kittiecarlyle]

Yes, but does that deal being worked out also involve another NHL team?

Wouldn't be the worst result.

 

[ps241]

Let's hope Adam is prophetic as he said Trouba and the Jets are working out a deal right now, now working ON a deal.

That would be great but I would be surprised if Jacob is in the loop let alone Adam (I am only half joking). It sure would be nice maybe the Dumba deal is an eye opener for both parties.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Giveaways is a meaningless stat. Not only for the reason you listed but also that is tracked entirely subjectively in rink by 31+ different stat trackers. One person might call it a giveaway, another credit to opposing player with a takeaway others not track it all. Hell inside the own game sometimes the same person will make subjective calls that are inconsistent as it's nearly impossible to judge. Both giveaways and takeaways are meaningless in the best of circumstances, very misleading at worst. They are very reputation based as well. You get slightly better results filtering just for away games, but even then it's a terrible stat.

Wish we had a 'good stat' for that though. It is an important thing. Just very hard to get meaningful numbers.

 

[Tommigun]

Giveaways is a meaningless stat. Not only for the reason you listed but also that is tracked entirely subjectively in rink by 31+ different stat trackers. One person might call it a giveaway, another credit to opposing player with a takeaway others not track it all. Hell inside the own game sometimes the same person will make subjective calls that are inconsistent as it's nearly impossible to judge. Both giveaways and takeaways are meaningless in the best of circumstances, very misleading at worst. They are very reputation based as well. You get slightly better results filtering just for away games, but even then it's a terrible stat.

I thought that any time a player loses the puck to the opposition, when an opposing player forces the puck from the other player’s stick, the losing player gets a giveaway and the other a takeaway. If this isn’t the case why not, it’d be simple.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

I thought that any time a player loses the puck to the opposition, when an opposing player forces the puck from the other player’s stick, the losing player gets a giveaway and the other a takeaway. If this isn’t the case why not, it’d be simple.

Nope. If this were the case the total "possession" changes in a game would amount to like 20 if you look at the stats. Watching a hockey game could you say that is a realistic number? Hell even at 100 you'd be well short. Hockey is a really hard game to gauge in this respect. You screws up on a missed pass could be any number of 3-4 guys, and then it may just be a good play by the other teams 2-3 guys. It's nearly impossible to judge. Nevermind board battles, dump ins, strips, fumbles, etc, etc.

 

[Duke749]

I thought that any time a player loses the puck to the opposition, when an opposing player forces the puck from the other player’s stick, the losing player gets a giveaway and the other a takeaway. If this isn’t the case why not, it’d be simple.

It should be the case but it isn’t. Don’t you think there should be far higher numbers considering how often possession changes?

 

[FonRiesen]

I wouldn't use the word meaningless, but I like misleading a lot. Giveaways are a bit like hits. Sure, hitting more can be interpreted as having more involvement in the game, but then again, you're very likely to be chasing the puck when you're hitting and not controlling it.

Ehlers averages one more giveaway per hour than the next Jets' forward. Do you know what he also does? He is responsible for controlling a lot of our transition game, which, oddly enough, means that he has the puck a lot. Reading too much into a stat like giveaways can give you a horribly misguided idea of what a player is good at.

And @FonRiesen, what parameters did you use to find a stat which has Lowry 4th in giveaways? In my search of giveaways per 60 among all Jets with 250+ minutes at 5v5, he is dead last. Within those parameters, he is fourth in takeaways, though.

I was using Jimby's 300 minute minimum threshold, and Lowry was 4th "best" (as in least) in the league among all players. I hadn't seen at first that he was filtering Centres only. I think that was Naturalstattrick.com. Just questioning his numbers.

 

[Gm0ney]

Is it fewest shots against "per 60"? Because I couldn't find numbers to back up straight "shots against" on either site.

High hits/60 means you're spending a lot of time without the puck...

NaturalStatTrick SA/60 is on-ice shots-against. Trouba's #1 with a 21.49.

His high 57.64 CF% would suggest he's spending a lot of time with the puck.

 

[Board Bard]

NaturalStatTrick SA/60 is on-ice shots-against. Trouba's #1 with a 21.49.

His high 57.64 CF% would suggest he's spending a lot of time with the puck.

Where does Myers rank?

On second thought, don't tell me, I just ate.

 

[Tommigun]

NaturalStatTrick SA/60 is on-ice shots-against. Trouba's #1 with a 21.49.

His high 57.64 CF% would suggest he's spending a lot of time with the puck.

Is it good or bad to be #1 in shots against? ;P

 

[Gm0ney]

Is it good or bad to be #1 in shots against? ;P

Well it was sorted ascending, so it's good to be at the top of that list. Fewest SA/60 in the league last season. That was his first year anywhere near the top of that list though, so I don't know if it was the Jets new philosophy that he took a particular affinity to, or if last season was an outlier. Eye test says he's pretty solid defensively...so maybe it was just the new team commitment to suppressing shots.

 

[cheswick]

I got a soft spot for the old coot

edit: thought you meant to say Beyak

I was taking about Beyak.

 

[Afterburner]

I was taking about Beyak.

Beyak = the ****

 

[DJBiffWPG]

Beyak = the ****

He's horrible.

 

[Afterburner]

He's horrible.

He's awesome

 

[DJBiffWPG]

He's awesome

Beyak is instant mute.

 

[Afterburner]

Beyak is instant mute.

Who would you rather listen to? Paul Romanuk?

 

[DJBiffWPG]

Who would you rather listen to? Paul Romanuk?

Anyone outside of Bob Cole.

No one is Bob Cole bad.

 

[Afterburner]

Anyone outside of Bob Cole.

No one is Bob Cole bad.

Romanuk is mute bad

 

[Neuf]

Last year I was at the game after his injury return, where he shut down the lightning. Been a huge fan since then.

Just a great player. He's deceptively fast, too. We like to call him stone hands, but he's leading the team in goals!

 

[Ducky10]

It's scary to think where we'd be without Lurch so far this season.