scarbrow21
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Made a little chart (didn't translate well from the table it was in so sorry) showing the perceived available goalies either via FA or trade. The sv%/GAA are for 2015/16 and 16/17 respectively. Preface this all off by saying that I'm not a fan of signing the big name FA #1 G's as I feel the team simply needs continued growth from Helley, as well as a reliable backup who can win more than .500 (looking at you hutch).
Curious what other Jets fans think?
Ben Bishop .926/2.06 .906 / 2.52 Salary Range: 5.-7M per over 4+ years
Though Bishop seems like a perennial Veizna finalist (last year excluded) he’s likely to command too much money for an asset that will begin to depreciate fast (numbers last year suggest it’s already started). Signing Bishop also hinders the ability to re-sign at least one of our young talented players or crucial vets like Little or Wheeler.
Marc-Andre Fleury .921/2.29 .909/3.02 Salary 5.75M for 2 more years + cost to acquire him via trade. This one is interesting as he’s got 2 cups and winning pedigree as well as his contract would expire just in time to sign Laine/Wheeler etc. Unfortunately much like Bishop I think Fleury is in decline (already lost his starting Job to Murray) and unless the deal is being made with Vegas (cost goes up mind you) you’d have to either expose Fleury or Helley to Vegas and that just doesn’t make sense.
Steve Mason .918/2.51 .908/2.66 Salary Range:3-5M per over 3+years
Mason would essentially be just an older less potential Hellebuyck but getting paid more. Not much else to say though if gotten cheap enough he’s an obvious improvement on Hutchinson (but that’s not all that hard to be)
Jonathan Bernier .908/2.88 .915/2.51 Salary Range: 3-5M per over 3+ years. If it came down to Bernier or Mason, Think I’d rather have Bernier. Has posted decent numbers but unlike Mason he’s played with the Ducks who are very strong defensively and posted league average numbers. I’d be hesitant to consider him an improvement
Keith Kinkaid .904/2.81 .916/2.64 Salary Range: 1-2M per 2-X years
Kinkaid is a solid backup. He’s studied under Schneider and plays a solid game. His numbers are decent considering he’s played on a poorly defensive team and his numbers might best reflect of any goalie on this list a direct translation (heck maybe even improvement) after switching to the Jets. Yes the Devils were that bad.
Mike Condon .903/2.71 .914/2.50 Salary Range: 1-2.5M 2+years
Another interesting backup option. He could be had very cheaply, and serve as a great option. His numbers are respectable but at 26 years old he’s still young enough he could be improving instead of declining.
Anders Nillson .915/2.63 .923/2.67 Salary Range:1-2M 2+years
Another very tempting option. Nillson plays for a team that’s been just as bad if not worse than the Jets the last few years and has posted some of the better numbers in this list. His low salary would make him by far the best value in this list and his numbers would arguably translate very well to the Jets compared to others who come from better teams.
Scott Darling .915/2.58 .924/2.38 Salary Range: 4-6M 4-6 years
Every teams dream pickup this season. The next Cam Talbot, Devin Dubnyk or Martin Jones…or is he? He’s played on a very good possession team, who keeps shots to the outside and manages the games well. Don’t let that detract from his performance as his numbers are arguably the best on this list but he’s due for a big raise and will command term. There may be a bidding war for him as well. His numbers as mentioned above might also drastically decline when switching to a less skilled defensive team (like the Jets) which would make him my pick for the biggest risk/reward goalie available
Antti Raanta .919/2.25 .922/2.27 Salary Range: 1M for next season + cost to acquire in trade.
This is another interesting option. Depending on what happens in expansion, he might be acquirable from Vegas after expansion. His contract is cheap, he’s got experience behind some of the best in the world (Lundqvist/Crawford) and has a Stanley Cup ring to boot. Much like the Darling case, he’s played on good defensive teams so his numbers might dip hard one the Jets (unless our D improves next year) but his contract makes it more worth the risk than Darling IMO depending on what you’d need to trade to get him?
Connor Hellebuyck .918/2.34 .907/2.89 Salary Range: 1-2.5M 3+years
Helley had a rough year. Fans were down on him for some soft goals which is understandable but his numbers compared to the guys on this list are at least respectable. Especially considering he played as much or more than the others, as well as the fact the Jets defensive system and play constantly left him out to dry. You shouldn’t have to stop a breakaway twice a game and 2+ 2 on 1’s every period. The Jets were bad defensively and Helley didn’t always bail them out but STILL went 26-19-4. He isn’t the problem in WPG…he’s the solution which is why I made this chart in the first place!
BONUS GOALIE “X†.920/2.56 .905/2.83 The years in goalie “Xâ€s row here are NOT from the corresponding years but from his first two years in the NHL (07/08). What they show is that a rookie goalie can and does regress. Those numbers are SO similar to Helleys which is why he’s included. Goalie X is now considered the best in the world and if you hadn’t guessed, those are Carey Prices first two years in the league. I think those thinking we need to go out and get a starting goalie are reaching in all the wrong places. With growth, development, and better defensive systems Helley may very well end up being on the same path as Carey. The jets need to address the defence infront of the goalie, and instead of saying the goalie should have had that, that the team shouldn’t have allowed that chance to happen.
Curious what other Jets fans think?
Ben Bishop .926/2.06 .906 / 2.52 Salary Range: 5.-7M per over 4+ years
Though Bishop seems like a perennial Veizna finalist (last year excluded) he’s likely to command too much money for an asset that will begin to depreciate fast (numbers last year suggest it’s already started). Signing Bishop also hinders the ability to re-sign at least one of our young talented players or crucial vets like Little or Wheeler.
Marc-Andre Fleury .921/2.29 .909/3.02 Salary 5.75M for 2 more years + cost to acquire him via trade. This one is interesting as he’s got 2 cups and winning pedigree as well as his contract would expire just in time to sign Laine/Wheeler etc. Unfortunately much like Bishop I think Fleury is in decline (already lost his starting Job to Murray) and unless the deal is being made with Vegas (cost goes up mind you) you’d have to either expose Fleury or Helley to Vegas and that just doesn’t make sense.
Steve Mason .918/2.51 .908/2.66 Salary Range:3-5M per over 3+years
Mason would essentially be just an older less potential Hellebuyck but getting paid more. Not much else to say though if gotten cheap enough he’s an obvious improvement on Hutchinson (but that’s not all that hard to be)
Jonathan Bernier .908/2.88 .915/2.51 Salary Range: 3-5M per over 3+ years. If it came down to Bernier or Mason, Think I’d rather have Bernier. Has posted decent numbers but unlike Mason he’s played with the Ducks who are very strong defensively and posted league average numbers. I’d be hesitant to consider him an improvement
Keith Kinkaid .904/2.81 .916/2.64 Salary Range: 1-2M per 2-X years
Kinkaid is a solid backup. He’s studied under Schneider and plays a solid game. His numbers are decent considering he’s played on a poorly defensive team and his numbers might best reflect of any goalie on this list a direct translation (heck maybe even improvement) after switching to the Jets. Yes the Devils were that bad.
Mike Condon .903/2.71 .914/2.50 Salary Range: 1-2.5M 2+years
Another interesting backup option. He could be had very cheaply, and serve as a great option. His numbers are respectable but at 26 years old he’s still young enough he could be improving instead of declining.
Anders Nillson .915/2.63 .923/2.67 Salary Range:1-2M 2+years
Another very tempting option. Nillson plays for a team that’s been just as bad if not worse than the Jets the last few years and has posted some of the better numbers in this list. His low salary would make him by far the best value in this list and his numbers would arguably translate very well to the Jets compared to others who come from better teams.
Scott Darling .915/2.58 .924/2.38 Salary Range: 4-6M 4-6 years
Every teams dream pickup this season. The next Cam Talbot, Devin Dubnyk or Martin Jones…or is he? He’s played on a very good possession team, who keeps shots to the outside and manages the games well. Don’t let that detract from his performance as his numbers are arguably the best on this list but he’s due for a big raise and will command term. There may be a bidding war for him as well. His numbers as mentioned above might also drastically decline when switching to a less skilled defensive team (like the Jets) which would make him my pick for the biggest risk/reward goalie available
Antti Raanta .919/2.25 .922/2.27 Salary Range: 1M for next season + cost to acquire in trade.
This is another interesting option. Depending on what happens in expansion, he might be acquirable from Vegas after expansion. His contract is cheap, he’s got experience behind some of the best in the world (Lundqvist/Crawford) and has a Stanley Cup ring to boot. Much like the Darling case, he’s played on good defensive teams so his numbers might dip hard one the Jets (unless our D improves next year) but his contract makes it more worth the risk than Darling IMO depending on what you’d need to trade to get him?
Connor Hellebuyck .918/2.34 .907/2.89 Salary Range: 1-2.5M 3+years
Helley had a rough year. Fans were down on him for some soft goals which is understandable but his numbers compared to the guys on this list are at least respectable. Especially considering he played as much or more than the others, as well as the fact the Jets defensive system and play constantly left him out to dry. You shouldn’t have to stop a breakaway twice a game and 2+ 2 on 1’s every period. The Jets were bad defensively and Helley didn’t always bail them out but STILL went 26-19-4. He isn’t the problem in WPG…he’s the solution which is why I made this chart in the first place!
BONUS GOALIE “X†.920/2.56 .905/2.83 The years in goalie “Xâ€s row here are NOT from the corresponding years but from his first two years in the NHL (07/08). What they show is that a rookie goalie can and does regress. Those numbers are SO similar to Helleys which is why he’s included. Goalie X is now considered the best in the world and if you hadn’t guessed, those are Carey Prices first two years in the league. I think those thinking we need to go out and get a starting goalie are reaching in all the wrong places. With growth, development, and better defensive systems Helley may very well end up being on the same path as Carey. The jets need to address the defence infront of the goalie, and instead of saying the goalie should have had that, that the team shouldn’t have allowed that chance to happen.
