Proposal: Jets Defence Mega Thread

[Jeti]

How many bust between... JMO, Heinola, Niku, Pionk, Samberg?

None of them?

... Are you suggesting Morrissey could bust? Why did you list him there?

 

[Viqsi]

WTF are you talking about?

My response was to an earlier post - I simply stated that the Jets are NOT in a position of strength and Chevy needs to address the blueline.​

No, hon, you don't get to do that. You came in with a blatant ripoff of a Risto proposal, and when called on it started going down the "beggars can't be choosers and you're beggars" line. You don't get to step back and say "hey, this was just a generic statement of the situation". The context was you defending your lopsided proposal. That doesn't go away just because you suddenly find your prior statements inconvenient to remember.

 

[jgimp]

7 out of 10 would do. Great fit from a Winnipeg pov. Hurts, but worth it. Dunno about Columbus' needs atm or how they like their defense after losing Werenski, but the on paper value is one of the best 1 for 1 I've seen for a long time

Not a chance. If Connor signed a bridge or was still holding out I would say absolutely, but not now. Werenski has more value than Connor but what are we telling our young core if we trade a guy who just signed long term on a fairly friendly contract, and by some signs turned down one or more offer sheets. That speaks volumes that he loves it here! Trade him now and all guys with upcoming contracts second guess their intentions. We just dealt with a guy who did all he could to get out and handcuffed us while doing so. We don’t want more of that!

 

[jgimp]

Nope. Roslovic is nowhere near Risto. Roslovic would not even crack the top 9.

You need to realize what top 4 RHD in their mid 20s cost. The Sabres traded a 1st and a damn good future top 4 d prospect for Montour. Risto is worth more then Montour. Sabres also traded Alex Nylander, a top prospect for Joki who is a budding top 4 RHD. Both Montour and Joki cost quite a bit. Jack Roslovic looks more like a career bottom 6 forward then anything of good value.

lmao

 

[Channelcat]

Risto isn't a top 4 D by any measure other than TOI and powerplay production. He's a bottom pairing PP specialist forced to play minutes he can't handle because he's on a terrible team. His contract is also bad.

If the Jets were going to overpay for D, they'd be better off targeting Hamonic, Petry, Hamilton, Tanev, or literally anyone other than Ristolainen.

Yes, he's got pedigree, but it may end there. I don't believe he has the hockey iq to be top 2 on a good team. He's kinda slow too. I'd like to have him, but I don't see as much value as others do.

 

[heilongjetsfan]

No, hon, you don't get to do that. You came in with a blatant ripoff of a Risto proposal, and when called on it started going down the "beggars can't be choosers and you're beggars" line. You don't get to step back and say "hey, this was just a generic statement of the situation". The context was you defending your lopsided proposal. That doesn't go away just because you suddenly find your prior statements inconvenient to remember.

Lol you're on fire today!

I think you're right about Roslo, btw. We could afford to be without him, but we also definitely value him more than outsiders would. He almost scores so freaking much. I felt so great for him when he smashed Morrissey's rebound in on Dubnyk last night. My personal opinion is that he hasn't been given enough opportunity in the top 6 and it's making him overthink things when he gets the opportunities. Squeezing the stick as they say. I expect massive improvement to his boxcars when he chills out and realizes he's not getting sent down to the AHL.

 

[heilongjetsfan]

yeah, I get that no team wants to overpay, but to say that Chevy is working from a position of strength is ridiculous.

Heinola has played very well, but how long can the team expect that to go on and you certainly don’t want to screw up his development.

getting another d man to Winnipeg is imperative.
And yes the right d man. Risto fits that -many people in the league could see an Ehlers for Risto swap make sense for both teams

and I can see how that could enrage The Jets fanbase- because I wouldn’t want to trade Ehlers.

If we got a player as young, talented and affordable as Ehlers, we'd all be fine with it, though maybe a little sad.

You're going out of your way to put lipstick on a pig, and accusing us of being unreasonable when we don't want to kiss it.

 

[heilongjetsfan]

Not a chance. If Connor signed a bridge or was still holding out I would say absolutely, but not now. Werenski has more value than Connor but what are we telling our young core if we trade a guy who just signed long term on a fairly friendly contract, and by some signs turned down one or more offer sheets. That speaks volumes that he loves it here! Trade him now and all guys with upcoming contracts second guess their intentions. We just dealt with a guy who did all he could to get out and handcuffed us while doing so. We don’t want more of that!

That's a fair point and honestly, my first instinct is to just let our team sink or swim as currently constructed. We've got a lot of young guys on defence who could really use the experience, and I'd rather see them get that chance to grow even if it means we suck this year. And hey, if we end up with Byfield as a result, I won't shed a tear over the lost season.

That said, Werenski is a guy I really like, and if it's Columbus calling us, that's different than us going out and shopping a guy we just signed. Loyalty is valuable, but there has to be a dispassionate side to it, too. If an opportunity comes up that the GM feels improves the team long-term, he's got to consider it.

 

[jgimp]

That's a fair point and honestly, my first instinct is to just let our team sink or swim as currently constructed. We've got a lot of young guys on defence who could really use the experience, and I'd rather see them get that chance to grow even if it means we suck this year. And hey, if we end up with Byfield as a result, I won't shed a tear over the lost season.

That said, Werenski is a guy I really like, and if it's Columbus calling us, that's different than us going out and shopping a guy we just signed. Loyalty is valuable, but there has to be a dispassionate side to it, too. If an opportunity comes up that the GM feels improves the team long-term, he's got to consider it.

Im in the same camp that everyone is available for the right price but we would definitely be throwing a wrench at any RFA resigning here. Ride this year out, play our young guys (that’s the hard part with PoMo at the helm) and let the chips fall as they may. Zero shopping at the TDL and if we are out of contention then shop guys like Frenchie and Kuli for picks or prospects

 

[heilongjetsfan]

Im in the same camp that everyone is available for the right price but we would definitely be throwing a wrench at any RFA resigning here. Ride this year out, play our young guys (that’s the hard part with PoMo at the helm) and let the chips fall as they may. Zero shopping at the TDL and if we are out of contention then shop guys like Frenchie and Kuli for picks or prospects

I mostly agree, though I think you're overestimating slightly the effect on upcoming RFAs. Especially if we have success on the ice as a result of the trade.

I totally agree about the preferred course of action for this season, though. I absolutely don't want to be a buyer at the deadline. I want all of our picks plus maybe a few more from around the league.

 

[Scintillating10]

Sounds like dreaming. Habs won't trade Weber. Waste of time talking about it

 

[snowkiddin]

I’d do Roslovic for Hamonic, but not Brodie.
Hamonic is more likely to re-up in Winnipeg.

I know I wouldn’t. Hamonic can sign here in the offseason. If he doesn’t want to, not a big deal. No loss.

 

[TS Quint]

Many Winnipeg fans posting do not appear to want to part with what would be the most likely price for some of the D men mentioned.
For example, there were 34 scouts in Buffalo last night, multiple ones from Winnipeg. Freidman and Burke discussed it, said they were all there to see Risto. Anaheim had an enlarged contingent as well as Dallas. So, Winnipeg is looking, but, Buffalo fans would tell you it's an Ehler's type return, top 6 RW'er, Winnipeg fans don't like that, and rightly so, it's a steep price. But Buffalo fans have their fingers on the pulse of what Botterill has been saying, others around the organization are reporting, they are correct as well.
This is an example, but, it is what threads like this normally digress in to. What the actual price Winnipeg is willing to pay to address their D, only Winnipeg fans can answer that, hence my comment on why they are as equally correct as teams like Buffalo's fans, who have an asset that may meet the criteria.

The reason there are so many scouts to watch Risto is because:

-Buff has put out an APB they want to move him.

-After 6 years in the NHL can they fix this problem and make him at least worth his contact.

-What are the odds you can fix that problem to determine his value.

 

[TS Quint]

Understandable, but, Chevy isn't dealing from a position of strength, Botterill is. Botterill has no reason to move Risto, he's doing just fine here in Buffalo, but, Chevy needs an RHD.
Like I said, I understand the fans feelings, but, in this case, Buffalo is in a position of strength, they have the asset needed.

Scoring is a position of strength for the Jets. They dont need a scoring Dman. They need a Dman to keep the puck out of their net aka Ristolainen's biggest weakness. It's not like Jets are screwed without picking up a PP specialist.

 

[Avaholic29]

Scoring is a position of strength for the Jets. They dont need a scoring Dman. They need a Dman to keep the puck out of their net aka Ristolainen's biggest weakness. It's not like Jets are screwed without picking up a PP specialist.

Agreed. Morrissey is just fine on the pp, that kid has alot of upside still to show.

 

[Dahlin 2 Eichel]

Winnipeg needs defence.... now. They aren’t going to be able to run and gun all season long. What are some trades Winnipeg could do to help improve their defence.

 

[TS Quint]

Theres a mega thread dedicated to hating Ristolainen already. Close this.

 

[SomeDude]

John Joseph Louis Johnson III can just stay in Winnipeg.

 

[jcbeze]

We're gonna get Ehlers for Risto at some point before Montour returns. Makes too much sense for both teams at this point.

 

[Fire Chevy]

We're gonna get Ehlers for Risto at some point before Montour returns. Makes too much sense for both teams at this point.

Yeah of course you would think that jets can tank just fine without adding risto

 

[204hockey]

Winnipeg needs defence.... now. They aren’t going to be able to run and gun all season long. What are some trades Winnipeg could do to help improve their defence.

roslovic 2nd for hamonic

 

[204hockey]

at this point i would take shea webber contract

 

[jgimp]

Stand pat, Bealieu and Niku come back. Maybe Buff. Take our lumps now and if we are out by TDL then sell Frenchie, Bealieu and Kuli and recoup some picks we’ve lost the last few years. It’s a good draft year and I would love 3 or 4 picks in the first 2 rounds. Byfield, welcome to Winnipeg!

 

[GaryPoppins]

We're gonna get Ehlers for Risto at some point before Montour returns. Makes too much sense for both teams at this point.

This will not happen. Value is far too different.

Risto is used as a top 4 but his performance and execution is bottom pairing. You're not getting Ehlers

 

[Saitama]

We're gonna get Ehlers for Risto at some point before Montour returns. Makes too much sense for both teams at this point.

Only if you hate the Jets. Otherwise it doesn't make sense for them at all.