Post-Game Talk: Jets def. Canucks - 2-0

[Johnny Canucker]

winnipeg goalie shut the door. is petey allergic to shooting the puck? goddamn. hoglander getting crosschecked 3-4times by forbort really? refs were brutal. time to change the bottom 6..

Every other team in the NHL that has played against that goalie has scored on him. Except us.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

If Green was smart he would go straight up to Hoglander and say good hit and don’t change a thing about your game and aggressiveness.

no chicken wing on that hit and didn’t leave his feet.

Stopped reading after the first 4 words.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Another fun game. Win or lose, this team is (mostly) a lot of fun to watch.

Demko and Schmidt looked great tonight, but I didn't really see anyone else that stood out.

I didn’t find this fun. PP looks disjointed. 5 on 5 we generate very few high end chances. We don’t hit and get hemmed in our zone a lot. We don’t complete a ton of tape to tape passes either ...

I don’t need goals or wins even.... but this team isn’t that fun to me.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

If OJ48 could just learn to turn around properly , he would be an everyday defensman. I hope he works with a skating coach in the offseason.

 

[Ozone]

I couldn’t care less about Derek Forsbertg I think he’s useless but I would say the hit PPC was the head. That said , I don’t think it’s a penalty as it was unavoidable due to what you said , him reaching. Unfortunate it got him a shoulder in the noggin but didn’t seem like that was Hogs intent.

Yup. Agreed.

...unless Hoggy likes his 'bum hits' with a little extra.

 

[Breakers]

I didn’t find this fun. PP looks disjointed. 5 on 5 we generate very few high end chances. We don’t hit and get hemmed in our zone a lot. We don’t complete a ton of tape to tape passes either ...

I don’t need goals or wins even.... but this team isn’t that fun to me.

umm 13 Dangerous scoring chances which Vancouver generated tonight is a lot.

 

[Lonny Bohonos]

I couldn’t care less about Derek Forsbertg I think he’s useless but I would say the hit PPC was the head. That said , I don’t think it’s a penalty as it was unavoidable due to what you said , him reaching. Unfortunate it got him a shoulder in the noggin but didn’t seem like that was Hogs intent.

While we can certainly sit here and debate what principle point of contact means I think the spirit of this rule is that the head does not get targetted.
Whilst the head does get hit contact is also made with Fortberts upper body pretty much at the same time.

Its a matter of super duper milli seconds as opposed to super milli seconds like might be the case if Forbort was more leaning over as opposed to squatting.

 

[Ozone]

This was a fun, exciting (yet frustrating) game.

At times, it seemed as though they were collectively finding their 'wheels' and then forgot how to finish.
Reminds me of a prom date story....for another time.
Horrible first period - no excuse for that. Yet, I liked how the team was testing their wheels and taking their training wheels off.

Let's see what they do on Sunday.
edit: wheels

 

[Canuckle1970]

Yeah I am a proponent of stricter calls for headshots. But I also realise its a fine line.


I mean to me the "classic" headshot call that wasnt called was the accidentally on purpose elbow Pettersson took to his nose a few years back. Cant remember who it was bit they went in for a check on EP and then when he evaded they did the old spin and bump into him with your back but flair out your elbows hoping to catch him move.

But alas no head shot call even though it was a high risk hit.

I believe that was Rangers' Chris Kreider who did that dirty elbow on Petey. Game was here 2 years ago.

 

[Lonny Bohonos]

I believe that was Rangers' Chris Kreider who did that dirty elbow on Petey. Game was here 2 years ago.

Yes thats right.


A total "oops sorry. Shame about the nose there" hit.

And everyone was like "Krieder didnt mean to hurt him, hes a nice guy not a meany."

Which was beside the point that Kreider absolutely intentionally meant to hit him with his elbow regardless wether he intended to injure EP.

 

[604]

Forbort is a bitch and got away with it. All there is to it

Problem is the team can't let a guy like Forbort get away with it, especially on a rookie. Says a lot about our team.

I might be making this up, but I remember in his rookie season - I think he was 18, Virtanen was starting to be on his way to becoming a physical offensive player. He put up something like 4 or 5 points in 6 games and was hitting a lot. Then he got his ass kicked after a fight. Jake went missing for months after that (like 1 or 2 points in 15-20 games with no physical play). At the end of the day, maybe that incident affected Jake, maybe Jake was just being Jake, who really knows.

I just feel that teams need their vets to stand up and protect their rookies. Players need to feel like their team has their back and that's more important than any regular season win. That is the one thing I hated about the Canucks during the Sedin era. We played like p***yes and lost because of it. Not every player needs to be the toughest guy in the league but every player needs to look out for their teammates and know that their teammates are going to have their back.

 

[Canuckle1970]

Yes thats right.


A total "oops sorry. Shame about the nose there" hit.

And everyone was like "Krieder didnt mean to hurt him, hes a nice guy not a meany."

Which was beside the point that Kreider absolutely intentionally meant to hit him with his elbow regardless wether he intended to injure EP.

And the refs got it right. Wound up tossing Kreider out of the game for a dangerous hit.

 

[mathonwy]

Problem is the team can't let a guy like Forbort get away with it, especially on a rookie. Says a lot about our team.

I might be making this up, but I remember in his rookie season - I think he was 18, Virtanen was starting to be on his way to becoming a physical offensive player. He put up something like 4 or 5 points in 6 games and was hitting a lot. Then he got his ass kicked after a fight. Jake went missing for months after that (like 1 or 2 points in 15-20 games with no physical play). At the end of the day, maybe that incident affected Jake, maybe Jake was just being Jake, who really knows.

I just feel that teams need their vets to stand up and protect their rookies. Players need to feel like their team has their back and that's more important than any regular season win. That is the one thing I hated about the Canucks during the Sedin era. We played like p***yes and lost because of it. Not every player needs to be the toughest guy in the league but every player needs to look out for their teammates and know that their teammates are going to have their back.

When Getzlaf f***ed him up?

 

[Hansen]

When Getzlaf f***ed him up?

I'm not sure exactly what it was, but he was a real shit disturber/agitator as a rookie, I seem to recall it totally vanishing after the Polak hit suspension, but its more likely due to the fact that his shoulder has been utterly mangled since his draft year. He doesnt even have to be smarter and be better at hockey, he just has to keep his legs moving and throw hits like he can and he is easily a very valuable third line crash n banger winger.

 

[Lonny Bohonos]

And the refs got it right. Wound up tossing Kreider out of the game for a dangerous hit.

Yes my issue was more that there was no supplimental discipline.

The league claims they want to take headshots out of the game and that was the definition of a reckless headshot.

Comparing it to Hoglanders today in which there was not real reckless element nor was it really a "headshot".

But alas we are well familiar with the inconsistency of the league.

 

[David71]

Problem is the team can't let a guy like Forbort get away with it, especially on a rookie. Says a lot about our team.

I might be making this up, but I remember in his rookie season - I think he was 18, Virtanen was starting to be on his way to becoming a physical offensive player. He put up something like 4 or 5 points in 6 games and was hitting a lot. Then he got his ass kicked after a fight. Jake went missing for months after that (like 1 or 2 points in 15-20 games with no physical play). At the end of the day, maybe that incident affected Jake, maybe Jake was just being Jake, who really knows.

I just feel that teams need their vets to stand up and protect their rookies. Players need to feel like their team has their back and that's more important than any regular season win. That is the one thing I hated about the Canucks during the Sedin era. We played like p***yes and lost because of it. Not every player needs to be the toughest guy in the league but every player needs to look out for their teammates and know that their teammates are going to have their back.

we are a soft team. remember petey got wrestled by matheson? and nobody did shit? even gudbranson was on our team. they said they didnt see the play and whatnot..

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

yes....yes I can.

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Barely anything their happens mutiple times a game. If this bothers Forbort go play basketball this is ridiculous. The cross checks were may more likely to hurt a player than that.

 

[David71]

next game: Virtanen & Eriksson out - Hawyrluk & MacEwen in.

 

[DFAC]

next game: Virtanen & Eriksson out - Hawyrluk & MacEwen in.

Agreed, bottom 6 needs a shakeup. Get Roussel out too, he's been useless

 

[David71]

Agreed, bottom 6 needs a shakeup. Get Roussel out too, he's been useless

roussel has been scratched once this season that was the game in montreal. other than that hes been in almost every game..

 

[Ozone]

Problem is the team can't let a guy like Forbort get away with it, especially on a rookie. Says a lot about our team.

I might be making this up, but I remember in his rookie season - I think he was 18, Virtanen was starting to be on his way to becoming a physical offensive player. He put up something like 4 or 5 points in 6 games and was hitting a lot. Then he got his ass kicked after a fight. Jake went missing for months after that (like 1 or 2 points in 15-20 games with no physical play). At the end of the day, maybe that incident affected Jake, maybe Jake was just being Jake, who really knows.

I just feel that teams need their vets to stand up and protect their rookies. Players need to feel like their team has their back and that's more important than any regular season win. That is the one thing I hated about the Canucks during the Sedin era. We played like p***yes and lost because of it. Not every player needs to be the toughest guy in the league but every player needs to look out for their teammates and know that their teammates are going to have their back.

Good call.
Let's see what Sunday uncovers...

 

[604]

When Getzlaf f***ed him up?

No it was before that, some guy on the Devil's or Flames I think.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

roussel has been scratched once this season that was the game in montreal. other than that hes been in almost every game..

Has he tho...

 

[lawrence]

Hamonic back yet?

 

[ProstheticConscience]

SO, finally watched this.

--Forbort's a f***ing idiot. Guy should have had his head kicked in. Oh Mr 6'3" guy, your head is hanging down by the shoulders of our 5'10" rookie? STFU with your bitch fit. The crosschecks should've been *more* than plenty enough for your little snit. Watch where the f*** you're going.

--Why did I keep seeing Sutter on the ice with like 5, 6 minutes to go?

--Goalies were good. Canucks are nowhere near the defensive shambles they were on the road trip, but now the offence decided to go gold. Got a lot of zone time, but not a lot of penetration. Everything on the outside. Top six all struggling outside of:

--Hoglander, who continues to beast. The one unqualified success story this season. Forbort, like I said, is a f***ing idiot.

--Petey. What's up, man. I feel like we should talk. What's goin' on there, buddy? You're clearly not *you* lately.

--Juolevi's improving. Modestly, but definitely improving. Would still be about a 5th or 6th pairing dman on a good team. Still better option than Chatfield.

--Edler was slow. Benn was slow. Schmidt was looking better. Early jitters are dissipating, and he's getting more comfortable. Hughes desperately in need of a proper shutdown partner, and none exists. Myers was better than his previous average here.

--Bottom six exists. Eriksson's useless. Roussel's invisible. Did Beagle play? Honestly having trouble remembering. Virtanen, Gaudette...a shift here, a shift there, but nothing. Sutter, annoyingly, played higher up than he should've.

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