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Gabe Kupari

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I'd like to see if Maurice actually does anything to help. Will we see new lines? Cuz its needed right now.

Do anything Paul. Like ANYTHING.

Laine Scheif Tanev
Perreault Little Wheeler
Connor Copp Roslo
Lemieux Lowry Appleton.

Like just anything.
 

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With all due respect, doing nothing is better than these lines.

Why do you say that? This gets Laine with Scheifele which everyone is screaming for. It gets Little and Wheeler together (which historically has been good).

The only thing I wouldn't do is take Copp off that 4th line - that is the only line that has been consistent the past few weeks.
 

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Why do you say that? This gets Laine with Scheifele which everyone is screaming for. It gets Little and Wheeler together (which historically has been good).

The only thing I wouldn't do is take Copp off that 4th line - that is the only line that has been consistent the past few weeks.
There are a few things I like there, Copp deserves to move into Lowry's spot in the lineup without question and Scheifele and Wheeler probably should be separated. In theory I like Roslovic and Connor playing together but Tanev on the first line and Perreault on the second line is...not good. You can't give Tanev top line minutes and expect him to be effective in any capacity and right now, Perreault is struggling badly so moving him up in the lineup seems like a bad idea. Swap Tanev and Roslovic and Perreault and Connor and there's something here.
 

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There are a few things I like there, Copp deserves to move into Lowry's spot in the lineup without question and Scheifele and Wheeler probably should be separated. In theory I like Roslovic and Connor playing together but Tanev on the first line and Perreault on the second line is...not good. You can't give Tanev top line minutes and expect him to be effective in any capacity and right now, Perreault is struggling badly so moving him up in the lineup seems like a bad idea. Swap Tanev and Roslovic and Perreault and Connor and there's something here.
I don't know. Tanev seems to get his line going, couldn't he do that on a 1st or 2nd line (obviously not permanently). He's shown some really nice skill this season (his breakaway backhand goal was a beauty).

I wouldn't move Perreault up, honestly. I don't really like his game, he is not consistent enough for me. He plays a really uncontrolled game, which I don't like.
 
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I don't know. Tanev seems to get his line going, couldn't he do that on a 1st or 2nd line (obviously not permanently). He's shown some really nice skill this season (his breakaway backhand goal was a beauty).

I wouldn't move Perreault up, honestly. I don't really like his game, he is not consistent enough for me. He plays a really uncontrolled game, which I don't like.

Agree on Perreault. On those lines posted a bit earlier I'd drop Perreault down to Lowry's wing, maybe think about Roslovic on their RW. Connor with Little and Wheeler is worth a try. I'd keep that Lemieux-Copp-Appleton line together. That line and Tanev have been carrying us in terms of effort level.
 

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I don't know. Tanev seems to get his line going, couldn't he do that on a 1st or 2nd line (obviously not permanently). He's shown some really nice skill this season (his breakaway backhand goal was a beauty).

I wouldn't move Perreault up, honestly. I don't really like his game, he is not consistent enough for me. He plays a really uncontrolled game, which I don't like.
You and I fundamentally disagree about Tanev. I see a guy who gives it his all and has up to now been rewarded for his tenacious play, but who is fairly one dimensional and does nothing to make his teammates better. He would be wasted next to Scheifele and is probably the worst guy on the team to play with Laine because his passing and vision are so poor. The move on the breakaway was nice, and I didn't know he had that in him but again, isolated breakaway moves don't really mean that he has even average offensive skill. Matt Hendricks was a shootout specialist at one point in his career.

He's the type of guy who can take advantage of a line with a good forecheck to capitalize on turnovers and rebounds but that's not the game that Schiefele and Laine play at all. It would be a blending of styles that would clash entirely.
 
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It's nice to hear. I really do like the TSN presentation. I will never miss a call when Ferraro is guesting. Some people dislike his stuttery delivery, but I forgive it in favor of his authenticity and willingness not to over fan boy or dumb it down. He gives a higher level of breakdown of what is happening.

I know some don't like Sawyer but the guy is very eloquent and hockey savvy. I consider him a Ferraro lite - giving a higher level of dissemination of the play, even if he is overly complimentary of all the players :)

Sawyer has a long way to go to be a Ferraro lite. He does speak well but he seems to be afraid to tell it like it is.
 

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Sawyer has a long way to go to be a Ferraro lite. He does speak well but he seems to be afraid to tell it like it is.
Most TSN Jets employees are. Ferraro doesn't have to worry since he's a national guy who could care less what TNSE does or thinks, the rest of them on the other hand... I've never heard Beyak, Munz or Edmonds say a discouraging word. It's either pressure from higher ups or a significant lack of intelligence. Could be both, I suppose.
 

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By the time we play Helly will have almost a week in between starts , hopefully he is rested and ready . This board needs a 8-0 win to be happy . :laugh:

TBH, I want to see 'a pack of wolves' is Jets jerseys - even if they lose. I don't just want them to really try. I want them to be seen to really try.

And then not lose by getting goalied. That can be the most frustrating thing in sports. I used to call it getting Tretiaked. :laugh:

Play well. Win if you play better than the other team. Lose if they play better. But play well, dammit!
 

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You and I fundamentally disagree about Tanev. I see a guy who gives it his all and has up to now been rewarded for his tenacious play, but who is fairly one dimensional and does nothing to make his teammates better. He would be wasted next to Scheifele and is probably the worst guy on the team to play with Laine because his passing and vision is so poor. The move on the breakaway was nice, and I didn't know he had that in him but again, isolated breakaway moves don't really mean that he has even average offensive skill. Matt Hendricks was a shootout specialist at one point in his career.

He's the type of guy who can take advantage of a line with a good forecheck to capitalize on turnovers and rebounds but that's not the game that Schiefele and Laine play at all. It would be a blending of styles that would clash entirely.
That's fair. I see more in him. He's not a passing wizard by any stretch but I have seen him do pretty well with puck retrieval and especially getting it back to the point. He's also pretty good at zone entries (mainly dump and chase, but still entering the zone and gaining possession)

I think the goal of this exercise is not to formulate new, permanent lines, but to shake things up, and maybe force players out of the comfort zone they seem to be in right now.
 
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Sawyer has a long way to go to be a Ferraro lite. He does speak well but he seems to be afraid to tell it like it is.
That's his main weakness. He has good knowledge and is well spoken, but yeah, his fanboyism and our players can't do wrong is a bit grating.

He's speaking to the mass of our fans who would rather be delusional :)
 

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Most TSN Jets employees are. Ferraro doesn't have to worry since he's a national guy who could care less what TNSE does or thinks, the rest of them on the other hand... I've never heard Beyak, Munz or Edmonds say a discouraging word. It's either pressure from higher ups or a significant lack of intelligence. Could be both, I suppose.

Hnidy was able to walk that line. You can be a homer and still be honest. Ferraro is cheering for the Jets when he does a game, but he is realistic. Sawyer hasn't yet learned to do that. Until he does, he is just noise.
 

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That's fair. I see more in him. He's not a passing wizard by any stretch but I have seen him do pretty well with puck retrieval and especially getting it back to the point. He's also pretty good at zone entries (mainly dump and chase, but still entering the zone and gaining possession)

I think the goal of this exercise is not to formulate new, permanent lines, but to shake things up, and maybe force players out of the comfort zone they seem to be in right now.
I don't think the exercise is unreasonable at all and I'm all for hypotheticals but while I think a shakeup is needed, I think those particular lines wouldn't be effective in even for a limited period of time. Just giving my two cents.
 

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I don't know. Tanev seems to get his line going, couldn't he do that on a 1st or 2nd line (obviously not permanently). He's shown some really nice skill this season (his breakaway backhand goal was a beauty).

I wouldn't move Perreault up, honestly. I don't really like his game, he is not consistent enough for me. He plays a really uncontrolled game, which I don't like.
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I really agree with you here Jet--re-Tanev. I've been saying this all along, the guy is underrated, and always puts out a 100% effort. His game is getting better all the time. and his scoring touch is looking pretty decent lately. I'd like to see what he could do on that 2nd line. I think it's very flat right now, and Tanev would give it a spark. Nothing to lose here, it's doing nothing but sputtering right now.
 

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Hnidy was able to walk that line. You can be a homer and still be honest. Ferraro is cheering for the Jets when he does a game, but he is realistic. Sawyer hasn't yet learned to do that. Until he does, he is just noise.
I know this is beyond the scope of what any of us can really know but it's always intrigued me what gets commentators fired and who exactly is judging the quality of their performance. People complain about broadcasters all the time and I get that it's one of the most subjective professions out there but if I were as bad at my job as Sawyer or an even worse offender, Rod Black is at theirs, I'd not only be fired but people would be seriously harmed. Obviously there are politics involved and it's not as simple as "bad" vs "good" but even if it's a first world problem, it's annoying to be subjected to poor commentators when you watch 82 games a season plus playoffs.
 
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That's his main weakness. He has good knowledge and is well spoken, but yeah, his fanboyism and our players can't do wrong is a bit grating.

He's speaking to the mass of our fans who would rather be delusional :)

He may believe that but even as a more casual fan I've always wanted the colour man to educate me. Give me a genuine insider's perspective. If he is just touting the players and team, he doesn't need to know squat about the game. He can read from a script.

That said, I think Sawyer has potential. I've been surprised at his apparent knowledge of the game, given the kind of player he was. :laugh:
 
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I really agree with you here Jet--re-Tanev. I've been saying this all along, the guy is underrated, and always puts out a 100% effort. His game is getting better all the time. and his scoring touch is looking pretty decent lately. I'd like to see what he could do on that 2nd line. I think it's very flat right now, and Tanev would give it a spark. Nothing to lose here, it's doing nothing but sputtering right now.
Tanev is a guy who only creates for himself, and while he's doing it well above his career norms right now, he doesn't even do that particularly well. Any offence you get out of him is a bonus, which makes playing him with two of our premiere scorers, one who is badly struggling and needs a good distributor more than anyone, just screams "terrible idea".
 
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I really agree with you here Jet--re-Tanev. I've been saying this all along, the guy is underrated, and always puts out a 100% effort. His game is getting better all the time. and his scoring touch is looking pretty decent lately. I'd like to see what he could do on that 2nd line. I think it's very flat right now, and Tanev would give it a spark. Nothing to lose here, it's doing nothing but sputtering right now.

You’d have to somehow convince Maurice to split up Lowry and Tanev, and that ain’t happening without an act of god.
 

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Most TSN Jets employees are. Ferraro doesn't have to worry since he's a national guy who could care less what TNSE does or thinks, the rest of them on the other hand... I've never heard Beyak, Munz or Edmonds say a discouraging word. It's either pressure from higher ups or a significant lack of intelligence. Could be both, I suppose.

But I never recall being that frustrated with Shane Hnidy's homerism and Hnidy called some really struggling Jets teams. There's way to strike the balance, you don't want your color commentator to sound like a GDT but it also can't be all unicorns and rainbows either.
 
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