Player Discussion Jesse Puljujarvi '18-19 Season Part II

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McShogun99

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I remember watching the both players pretty carefully at the WJC-20 and Puljujarvi was definitely better, not just points-wise. Basically all the scouts thought so too. Puljujarvi actually looked better when they played against each other in their first NHL season, but the two players have faced very different usage. Two things that bother me the most are:

1. He's scored good enough points and done between pretty good and excellent in the top6. So why has McLellan dropped him almost every time it seemed Pulju got it going. I mean what's the point, does he really believe that's the best way for the player or the team. I honestly think that's a big joke, but not a good one.

2. How is it possible that Puljujarvi, who was a PP specialist as the shooter/CQ'ing role, hasn't been used in that position and it's over two years now? Can anyone seriously say the team has done everything well when they simply don't even try to use the player according to his strengths.

Saying those aloud doesn't mean Puljujarvi hasn't got things to develop, but I seriously think the points I mentioned are obvious and need to get corrected first before we can really evaluate Pulju or compare him with other prospects with that kind of usage. It'd be a hole different issue if he'd struggled in the top6 or if we didn't know that they haven't even tried his best tool PP yet.

Look at last year. We were basically out of the playoffs by December and instead of putting our prized prospect in the top 6 we put new players to the team like Aberg in the top 6. Pretty much anyone but JP gets an extended look in the top 6. Most teams would have had JP as a lock on the PP and playing with skilled players, we put him in a grinding role and expect him to succeed while trying to carry Strome and whatever garbage winger they put on the line.
 

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McLellan post-game: “Jesse’s had some moments where he’s played very well, and he’s still learning in some other moments where he’s got caught doing things that affect the team at the other end, or maybe the teammates coming on to the ice. We’ve talked and talked and talked to him about it, and he’ll have to just keep working at it.

This is promising.....

The Oilers better not draft another quirky European ever again. Just stick to good old North American coke machines.

Imagine having a 6 foot 4 winger with speed, skill and draft pedigree and isolating him on the 3rd/4th line while you continually play a guy like Lucic in a top 6 role.....it’s maddening.
 

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McLellan post-game: “Jesse’s had some moments where he’s played very well, and he’s still learning in some other moments where he’s got caught doing things that affect the team at the other end, or maybe the teammates coming on to the ice. We’ve talked and talked and talked to him about it, and he’ll have to just keep working at it.

This is promising.....

The Oilers better not draft another quirky European ever again. Just stick to good old North American coke machines.

Imagine having a 6 foot 4 winger with speed, skill and draft pedigree and isolating him on the 3rd/4th line while you continually play a guy like Lucic in a top 6 role.....it’s maddening.

Yeah I heard that, it was him basically throwing Jesse under the bus. If there was any doubt that he has an issue with Jesse this nugget should put that doubt to rest.
 

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As I said in the PGT, I wasn't very excited over Pulju's first period, but him and the line had a good bounce back in periods 2 and 3. Good game overall and I'd definitely not single him out as McL did.

In other news, and based on the raw post-game, Yamamoto is not going anywhere.
 

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As I said in the PGT, I wasn't very excited over Pulju's first period, but him and the line had a good bounce back in periods 2 and 3. Good game overall and I'd definitely not single him out as McL did.

In other news, and based on the raw post-game, Yamamoto is not going anywhere.
Yamo is clearly a favorite of Todd's. I would switch Jesse and Yamo in the lineup personally, but that won't happen under Todd. He'll have Kassian and Chiasson playing in the top 6 ahead of Jesse if he has to.
 

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McLellan post-game: “Jesse’s had some moments where he’s played very well, and he’s still learning in some other moments where he’s got caught doing things that affect the team at the other end, or maybe the teammates coming on to the ice. We’ve talked and talked and talked to him about it, and he’ll have to just keep working at it.

This is promising.....

The Oilers better not draft another quirky European ever again. Just stick to good old North American coke machines.

Imagine having a 6 foot 4 winger with speed, skill and draft pedigree and isolating him on the 3rd/4th line while you continually play a guy like Lucic in a top 6 role.....it’s maddening.

Yup. We should have just drafted Reinhart/Murray in 2012 and Tkachuk/Keller in 2016 as rumored.
Our OBC and old school coach don't do too well with Euros who struggle with English. I'm certain if we had a a talent like Panarin we would somehow ruin him too.
 
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Yamo is clearly a favorite of Todd's. I would switch Jesse and Yamo in the lineup personally, but that won't happen under Todd. He'll have Kassian and Chiasson playing in the top 6 ahead of Jesse if he has to.

Yammo looked good on the LW no?
Tmac should try Yammo - Drai- Pulju and see if they click. Because our 2nd line is clearly not working.
This way he keeps Yammo in the top6 and gives Pulju a shot there as well.
 

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Yammo looked good on the LW no?
Tmac should try Yammo - Drai- Pulju and see if they click. Because our 2nd line is clearly not working.
This way he keeps Yammo in the top6 and gives Pulju a shot there as well.

I'd sooner keep Looch there to get him going TBH. That said barring injuries I don't see Todd giving him that chance.
 
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Might be time to salvage some value out of the player now so we don't end up dealing him for a 3rd in a years time like we did with Yak.
 

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Might be time to salvage some value out of the player now so we don't end up dealing him for a 3rd in a years time like we did with Yak.

If our GM wasn't Peter Chiarelli I'd be in favour of this. If we could get something good it'd probably be better for Pulju to get to start over somewhere fresh too.
 

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Yamo is clearly a favorite of Todd's. I would switch Jesse and Yamo in the lineup personally, but that won't happen under Todd. He'll have Kassian and Chiasson playing in the top 6 ahead of Jesse if he has to.
Definitely agree. I'd much rather see Pulju on 2nd line and Yama on the 3rd. Not gonna happen of course.

I've been positive for a long time, and I still am, but I am reaching the breaking point with Todd... And that's saying something if you know me. The only other coach I've ever turned on was Eakins, and even that took a while ... It's tough, because for Todd to be fired the team needs to lose, and play as they did against NJD. And that sucks...
 

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Look at last year. We were basically out of the playoffs by December and instead of putting our prized prospect in the top 6 we put new players to the team like Aberg in the top 6. Pretty much anyone but JP gets an extended look in the top 6. Most teams would have had JP as a lock on the PP and playing with skilled players, we put him in a grinding role and expect him to succeed while trying to carry Strome and whatever garbage winger they put on the line.

Another annoyance is that there was so much yammering about wanting Nuge to play with McDavid, but it literally took Todd McStubborn super long to try it out. Todd's gotta go, its as simple as that.
 
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Another annoyance is that there was so much yammering about wanting Nuge to play with McDavid, but it literally took Todd McStubborn super long to try it out. Todd's gotta go, its as simple as that.

I will say that I wouldn't want any coach to be driven by fan/media chatter. Too much of what is said (myself included) is just stupid. But when things clearly aren't working, I want to see CHANGES TRIED. Todd isn't even DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT. It's infuriating.
 

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I will say that I wouldn't want any coach to be driven by fan/media chatter. Too much of what is said (myself included) is just stupid. But when things clearly aren't working, I want to see CHANGES TRIED. Todd isn't even DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT. It's infuriating.

Todd obviously thinks since the team scored a PPG, that his/GG PP system is effective. God, I can't stand his stubbornness. Its amazing Todd gets mad about JP not scoring like a top 6 winger while getting fed bottom 6 minutes with limited usages outside 5v5. What a moron.
 
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I will say that I wouldn't want any coach to be driven by fan/media chatter. Too much of what is said (myself included) is just stupid. But when things clearly aren't working, I want to see CHANGES TRIED. Todd isn't even DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT. It's infuriating.

JP would be a top 3 pick in any draft year. Playing him in the top 6 isn't media/fan chatter, it's common sense. Especially when you're as bad as the Oilers have been. It's mind boggling that he hasn't seen regular top 6 ice time. Give him the chance to fail or succeed in that role.
 

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JP would be a top 3 pick in any draft year. Playing him in the top 6 isn't media/fan chatter, it's common sense. Especially when you're as bad as the Oilers have been. It's mind boggling that he hasn't seen regular top 6 ice time. Give him the chance to fail or succeed in that role.
I kind of disagree. My beef with TMac isn’t that he doesn’t get top 6 minutes it’s that he doesn’t get an extended look on the top PP unit when our PP has been absolute trash. If he’s on the 3rd line I have no problem with it but he should be getting ample PP time. It’s what you do with young skilled players. You give them some gravy minutes in offensive situations.
 

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Found this interesting.
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Lowetide.ca | Game Three 2018-19: Oilers at Rangers
 

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So all three of them scored better in the AHL in their draft+1 years. All three of them scored better in the NHL in their draft+2 years.

Better players putting up better numbers.... Maybe Pulju belonged in the same conversation prior to his draft. But since then he's clearly been left in the dust.

Linemates, PP time and things like that really make a huge difference. I guess it's not wrong to say Pulju's point totals would certainly look better if he'd been used like some other top prospects.

Rantanen's TOI was 18:04 compared to Jesse's 13:22. Rantanen's average PP time 2:43, Pulju's 0:44. Rantanen played with McKinnon and Landeskog.

Rantanen's ESP/60 was 1.467. In comparison Puljujarvi's ESP/6p in his draft +1 season was 1.439 and draft +2 season 1.317. Rantanen was -25, Puljujarvi -1.

I emphasize Rantanen has been of the few Finns I've really believed in and I do think he's a great player, but you have to consider the linemates, usage and PP time too. I believe I'd find similar things with the other players in the list, but I haven't got more time right now.
 
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