Player Discussion Jesse Puljujarvi '18-19 Season Part 5, Jesse Bumped Up the Line-up

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  1. nabob

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    Depends on the definition of bust as well. Tons of players taken in that range don’t meet expectations, are they busts? Also have to consider that in many years the difference between a 4th and 7th or 8th overall pick is often based on team need at the time of the draft. Bouchard could easily have gone 4th this year are his bust standards now way lower because he was choose lower?
     
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    I'll go back 25 years. Who cares. The point is not all top 5 picks are homeruns

    FYI, Jesse Puljujarvi is currently playing in the NHL

    Yes, everyone I listed can be classified a bust relevant to their draft position
     
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    Yes. The standards change from top 5, 10, first round, second round. It's called "the draft". It's why NHL teams pay millions of dollars to scouts to make these predictions

    It's why draft picks are valuable and GM's can use them as currency
     
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    Relative to draft position you can then add RNH and Nurse to the Oilers bust list and lets not forget Paajarvi.
     
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    Did you read the entire first part o my post? I was saying he is not a bust.
     
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    MPS is a bust.

    RNH at the very min is a very good 2C.
    Nurse is a top 4D

    Do you see JP as a top 6 forward at the moment?
     
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    You'll never get a sensible discussion with him (her?).

    It'll just resort to attacking posters because you pointed out something he/she doesn't agree with
     
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    This kid makes me think of the Boston Dynamics humanoid and trying to teach it to skate on ice. Him falling over for no reason multiple times and sliding into the boards last night was hilarious. When his programming gets more advanced watch out. It's a technological marvel they got it to run on pizza.
     
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    Atleast he's trying.
     
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    Good on Jesse for putting in the work to get better.
     
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    Oilers should just let some local beer league teams to play/practice on Rogers Place if they let Jesse be with them on ice.
     
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    This is the dumbest comment I have seen on here this year.
     
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    That's the thing with JP. He isn't out there coasting, or doing the yak thing and refuses to work on his game outside of his shot, or the paajarvi issue where he seemed to naturally be repelled from the corners/front of the net.

    This kid is giving it his all on and off the ice. He's been in the media a few times already for being so popular with fans, he's clearly absolutely gutted when he makes mistakes based on his reactions, and doesn't take shifts off, he just doesn't always accomplish what he should. Then there's stuff like this that comes out, and just reinforces how badly he wants to succeed and be a contributing member of the team.

    Jesse is going to be a successful NHLer, I'm sure of it, and I still believe he will be a top 6 guy in time.

    Think about it, this kid probably hit a growing spurt and was getting used to his new height his draft year, only to come over to the NHL the year following. This means he was learning how to use his new found size, combined with trying to adjust to a completely different ice surface, language, playstyle, system etc, all while playing at most, 12 minutes a game and clearly not grasping the English language.

    Eventually he gets sent to the AHL and gets some traction, and comes in after 10 games in the AHL the following season and scores 12 goals in 65 games while playing minimal pp time.

    This season has been a write off for many, but Jesse if one of the ones I have a ton of patience for.

    He has shown some promise in small doses despite what appears to be a pretty rough transition.I have complete faith he will be a classic late bloomer.

    The way I see it now, he is an acceptable third liner who's development needed a reset, and hopefully got it with the hitch hire.

    Now if chia can find us some scoring wingers, and people show some patience with JP, I think we still have a gem. I give it 2 seasons before he's a 20 goal 20-30 assist guy, and he'll keep getting better from there. The trick is going to be not running him out of town for not stepping into the NHL and immediately having success.
     
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    IMO Jesse's compete level has gone up, playing more physical and less glide in his game using a phrase from Hitch.
     
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    A lot easier to find motivation when a coach takes an interest in you like hitch has imo.
     
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    Agreed, but ultimately the player has to make the most of their situation as they can only control, what they do when the coach puts them out there.
     
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    Absolutely.

    At this point with hitch in charge, Jesse's in charge of his own destiny. It's easy to look back and blame others for a rocky development path, but hitch is clearly doing his best to bring him along and help him succeed. It's up to Jesse to take that and run.
     
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    Training alone is pretty limited (passes, one timers etc.).
     
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    Still only 20 too. This season probably should have been his first in the NHL, with a lot of AHL time as well.

    Oh well though, he's taking some steps finally IMO. He's not getting an easy ride either even though hitch is talking him up. He very consistently gets <50% offensive zone starts. He's not being hidden from good competition either. This is not like Yak getting zero defensive zone starts because the coaches are scared of what he's gonna do. Pulju is earning some respect with the coaches.
     
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    Nobody else on the team speaks their language, so it’s their fun time together.
     
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    It would be awesome to see Jesse make it, and become a real top6 player.
    He's a kid with good attitude, and even when his game is struggling he has time for fans and is still smiling.

    Around the draft he was extremely raw and looked like he was struggling with coordination issues, and still hasn't managed to solve that issue during his NHL time. You get that somehow under controll and he could "explode".
     
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    As negative as I am about him, I sincerely want to see him make it. If it’s a 3rd line role going forward and he turns into a 30 pts a year a player, it’ll be disappointing but there l’s always room for thise types of guys. He seems to give a **** which is more than what half of this team does.
     
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    Was sarcasm.

    Was not really directed at you but others who discount a good game entirely by Puljujarvi because he fell down or collided with a teammate
     
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    Surprising how many posters can’t detect obvious sarcasm because they’re too busy wanting to make personal attacks. Frig Frag lighten up a little.
     
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    Yep. Now if only we could have predicted which picks to trade.
     
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