Player Discussion Jesperi Kotkaniemi (Part VIII) - Pretty Mintniemi Edition

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  1. Mrb1p

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    Or he should've stayed in Finland, but who knew that... Really.

    Anyway, benching him doesn't matter much.
     
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    If I was the GM, Kotkaniemi would of been playing Liiga or AHL this season and attended the WJC. I don't see a point of rushing him and he earns a center 3C spot over Pleky, Peca, DLR. It wasn't difficult for Kotkaniemi to win the 3C job over those 3.

    I like his potential but I do worry about asset management. Wings have ensured Zadina did not play more than 40 NHL games this year cause they are protecting their RFA years. Same approach the Blue Jays are taking with VGJ.

    We will see how this all plays out with Kotkaniemi when he is 20 or 21. I think the smarter plan with him would of been a patient one. I rather take the road with no development excuses if he struggles to become the player we think or expect him to.
     
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    Kotkaniemi is never going to break the bank anyway, he's just not that guy.
     
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    He's what kind of guy then ? He's going to be a third line center all his life ? Wouldn't even surprise me with this team.
     
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    I wanted him to play in Finland at the beginning of the season ( didn’t want him near the Montreal media and fan pressure) considering the what happen to is team it probably ok that he was there but if I was GM he would have played in the WJC and he would not have played over 40 games in the NHL to maintain is RFA/ UFA for a other year... Also it would of have freed a roster spot so not to lose 3 players to waiver
     
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    Agreed. I'm not upset that he made our team but I don't think it's smart asset management. Lets see how this plays out and if any our of fan base uses hindsight evaluation if he struggles to get better and we look back when he is 20 or 21.
     
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    If he isn’t the guy it isn’t good for the future outlook of the team...
     
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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Nothing but praise all year long...one healthy scratch and he should have been in Finland all year playing on a terrible, terrible team. Never gonna be the kind of player to make $...You guys are so predictably insane.

    Have some god damn patience. This kid is an absolute stud. Look at the praise he gets from coaches, scouts, and players around the league. He's the youngest player in the league and is putting up very respectable numbers while being trusted in his own zone, trusted to play in key situations.

    Look at Barkov's numbers his first few years. And I'm not talking just points, look at his games played: Aleksander Barkov Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

    The pressure is not getting to him. He's handled pressure very well. He's a cool kid. There's no evidence at all that the Montreal media is "getting to him".
     
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    Lol, there he is!
     
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    We don't know that. He could be the same player he is today but more stronger or he could turn into a #1C. Nobody can say anything for sure... not even Kotkaneimi knows.
     
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    417 and I had several conversations about Kotkaniemi playing NHL or not this year. Of course he earned his 3C spot over Pleky, DLR, and Peca to start the year and he deserves to play 3C based on his play. But this is not about what value Kotkaniemi provides at age 18, it's about who he may become at age 20+. I don't consider this smart asset management and I think our pride/rebound season has trumped everything else. I preferred Kotkaniemi to go back to Finland for more than one reason.

    Middle of the pack strategy and I predicted 10-15 range pick or a fringe wild card team. It reeked of this result from a mile away if we had a healthy roster which we had this year.

    When was the last time we had top 10 picks or top 5 picks in two draft years in a row? This is what I wanted and there were several things we could of done to put us in a position to get this IMO.

    - Keep Kotkaniemi out of it at age 18. Let him grow gradually and work on being a #1C in the Liiga league before he is a center in the NHL.
    - Play Pleky and DLR as our 3C/4C.
    - Play Hudon, Scherbak, Peca and test them.
    - Keep Weber out of the line-up till 2019.
    - Talk to the vets to tell them our plan... we will go through one more growing pain year.
    - If someone wanted Petry or Tatar bad at the deadline, you let them provide pry-away value or we keep them.

    Pride? How dare the Habs have 2 top 5 picks in back to back draft years. We have too much pride for that.
     
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    He's going to be a great player, but he's not like a Matthews or anything where his cap hit is going to mess up a team.
     
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    He's projecting to be like Barkov, Toews, Kopitar, and those cap hit mess up a team.
     
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    Jesus ****ing christ, are you ever happy lol, do you REALLy think that this is whats going to happen with this kid...god you're so impatient
     
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    3 Stanley cups, 2 Stanley cups and one of the best players on the planet?

    Yes please.
     
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    I'll be happy once this team isn't a mediocre sack of ****.
     
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    Hard to predict his age 19 and 20 seasons and if we bridge him or sign him for 8 years. What will the cap be in 21? All things we can not predict accurately

    I get what you are saying. Based on what you see from him at the age of 18, you think he will be a good #2C someday (maybe). But the pessimistic approach don't trump the optimistic approach or vice versa.

    At the end of the day, we just don't know
     
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    Why not give him a break against one of the worst teams in the league? Better to scratch him now rather than against a good team when we'll need him.

    No issues here. He'll be back next game...missing 1 game isn't the end of the world
     
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    Totally agree, he’s 18 after all so this is definitely the finished product
     
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    Such an over reaction to his sitting out the LA game...
     
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    He deserves some beach time.
     
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    I was just affraid going into the game that we would need every player we had to beat the Kings, given our play of late and our history on the california trip. Good thing they got the job done without Kotkaniemi.
     
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    I have no idea why that outrage about KK sitting. Geez, can people just go from ''he almost went back to his dad team to see his dad being fired....to it's okay if he sits one ****ing game???? It's so not the end of the world. Now, if Julien thinks that his best team means more Weise, more Thompson, more Lehkonen, and even more Weal and less KK...THEN we have a problem. But it was not about that. At least, let's hope so. Put Weal on the 4th, and let's have some skill there so we could finally dominate the opponent pluggers 4th line....and try him on the PP if you want.
     
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    Thread went from comparing his season to Jagr and Laine's rookie seasons to him collecting food stamps, in like two days. lol
     
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