Injury Report: Jesperi Kotkaniemi (Part IX)

[Habs Icing]

Don't bother. It's the Galchenyuk-effect again with Kotkaniemi, which is a scientifically proven case of mass hallucination. It can last as long as five years and it's not treatable. Any discussion is futile.

Funny you should bring up Chucky. Galchenyuk had a superior first year when compared to KK. Alex was more dynamic, drove the play much more than KK and we all thought we had a stud. Look what happened. We need to temper our expectations and let these young players grow and work on their weaknesses and trust me KK has lots of weaknesses. I wasn't happy he stayed up with the big team. He needed to work on his game at a lower level so I go ballistic when I hear posters want him playing with our best wingers.

 

[admiralcadillac]

Welcome to Montreal...

 

[Deluded Puck]

Funny you should bring up Chucky. Galchenyuk had a superior first year when compared to KK. Alex was more dynamic, drove the play much more than KK and we all thought we had a stud. Look what happened. We need to temper our expectations and let these young players grow and work on their weaknesses and trust me KK has lots of weaknesses. I wasn't happy he stayed up with the big team. He needed to work on his game at a lower level so I go ballistic when I hear posters want him playing with our best wingers.

Galchenyuk also did it mainly playing with Jeff Halpern and Brandon Prust.

 

[Habs Icing]

Galchenyuk also did it mainly playing with Jeff Halpern and Brandon Prust.

I forgot Halpern but wasn't Gally on his line for part of the year.

 

[Archijerej]

Funny you should bring up Chucky. Galchenyuk had a superior first year when compared to KK. Alex was more dynamic, drove the play much more than KK and we all thought we had a stud. Look what happened. We need to temper our expectations and let these young players grow and work on their weaknesses and trust me KK has lots of weaknesses. I wasn't happy he stayed up with the big team. He needed to work on his game at a lower level so I go ballistic when I hear posters want him playing with our best wingers.

I don't think he was much better, if at all to be honest, but my memory and later bias may affect my judgment. Wasn't it a shortened season? That's a pretty significant advantage. Also, didn't he play wing? Anyways, I have a much higher opinion on Kotkaniemi due to hockey sense alone. I think he's going to be a very good player. He's just incredibly raw physically at the moment which affects every aspect of his game. He has pretty impressive defensive understanding of the game for an 18 year old, but can't win puck battles. He's a natural cycle player, but can't hold onto the puck if his life depended on it. It will straighten up in time.

 

[Guns n Roses]

Hahahahahaha, people here know I call him Chu-Rien and think nothing good of him!

So why are you fantasy coaching exactly like he would?

 

[BaseballCoach]

So why are you fantasy coaching exactly like he would?

Moving Drouin back to the wing and playing Domi at center were a couple of his decent moves. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I forgot Halpern but wasn't Gally on his line for part of the year.

I believe Gally, Galchenyuk and Prust played on the same line for a large sample size.

 

[Sorinth]

I don't think he was much better, if at all to be honest, but my memory and later bias may affect my judgment. Wasn't it a shortened season? That's a pretty significant advantage. Also, didn't he play wing? Anyways, I have a much higher opinion on Kotkaniemi due to hockey sense alone. I think he's going to be a very good player. He's just incredibly raw physically at the moment which affects every aspect of his game. He has pretty impressive defensive understanding of the game for an 18 year old, but can't win puck battles. He's a natural cycle player, but can't hold onto the puck if his life depended on it. It will straighten up in time.

Galchenyuk had a much better rookie year. However there are some caveats, we are comparing a 48 game season to an 82 game one, Galchenyuk was older, and Galchenyuk benefitted from playing the first half of the season in the OHL.

We made a lot of mistakes with Galchenyuk's development, we have to avoid making them again because our only hope of contending any time soon is if Kotkaniemi develops well.

 

[Sorinth]

I believe Gally, Galchenyuk and Prust played on the same line for a large sample size.

Here's his linemates as a rookie
http://www.cs.unb.ca/~mwf/habs/2012-13/regseason/forw_27AG.html

 

[Archijerej]

We made a lot of mistakes with Galchenyuk's development

We didn't, really. We got the best of the limited talent this kid had. If anything, he was coddled for way to long.

 

[Archijerej]

Here's his linemates as a rookie
http://www.cs.unb.ca/~mwf/habs/2012-13/regseason/forw_27AG.html

Yup. I remember him playing on Eller's left wing for most of the time. This line was used as an exploitation line. Cool stats by the way.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Here's his linemates as a rookie
http://www.cs.unb.ca/~mwf/habs/2012-13/regseason/forw_27AG.html

I was close but the line I showed was 2nd to the Galchenyuk/Eller/Prust line. For most of the season he either played with Eller and/or Prust. Sounds similar to Kotkaneimi playing with Armia but Kotkaniemi played center for most of the year.

 

[Sorinth]

We didn't, really. We got the best of the limited talent this kid had. If anything, he was coddled for way to long.

I don't want to derail this thread with Galchenyuk talk, but as a thought exercise assume you wanted to ruin Galchenyuk's development and come up with a plan for doing exactly that. Then compare your plan to how we actually handled him.

 

[Kotkaniemi15]

Kotkaniemi’s rookie year >> Galchenyuk’s rookie year

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Kotkaniemi’s rookie year >> Galchenyuk’s rookie year

not really.

that said, I think Kotkaniemi has at least shown that he's a true centerman.

 

[David Suzuki]

that said, I think Kotkaniemi has at least shown that he's a true centerman.

Which is why his season is the more important one IMO

 

[Kotkaniemi15]

not really.

that said, I think Kotkaniemi has at least shown that he's a true centerman.

Chucky was beast as a LW. Really sick two way game am I right? That’s why the coaches let him play centre right?

 

[SOLR]

Yeah because that's a skill that can't be learned and developed. By the way KK and Domi had roughly the same faceoff numbers. Does that mean we should move the rookie to the wing also?

Are you seriously comparing a 18 years old with a 23 years old?

 

[Adam Michaels]

 

[le_sean]

It’s almost as if the coach has more information at hand when making him a “healthy” scratch and the armchair coaches need to settle down.

 

[26Mats]

This is almost good news - if it's nothing that hampers him down the road - because it explains his drop in play. He really fell off a clip and I didn't think it was possible it was only due to him being a rookie.

 

[HOPE]

anybody knows what is that knee surgery exacly? seems odd a knee surgery that won't take anytime off season time from him!

 

[Deebs]

It’s almost as if the coach has more information at hand when making him a “healthy” scratch and the armchair coaches need to settle down.

Who knew?

 

[Deebs]

anybody knows what is that knee surgery exacly? seems odd a knee surgery that won't take anytime off season time from him!

Could be something simple like cleaning it up a bit I had some cartilage trimmed up about 10 years ago and I was good after a couple weeks