Player Discussion Jesperi Kotkaniemi - Part 13

[The Great Weal]

Dom making me look like a fool pretty quickly.

Sticking with Danualt and Webrot...

We should probably give him a week as head coach before being upset. Maybe he wants to give the vets a couple games before doing his thing...at least I hope.

 

[Mrb1p]

We should probably give him a week as head coach before being upset. Maybe he wants to give the vets a couple games before doing his thing...at least I hope.

Come on, 22 minutes..

 

[Mrb1p]

I bet Ducharme is a Eddy Hall fan

 

[BushFireRecordsRedux]

We should probably give him a week as head coach before being upset. Maybe he wants to give the vets a couple games before doing his thing...at least I hope.

It's not like he wasn't on the bench watching this all unfold prior to getting the head gig, the fact that he gave Danault his season high in ice isn't inspiring lol.

I think people underrate how almost all hockey coaches are like this, it was the same thing with Therrien/Galchenyuk. Everyone thought Claude f***ing Julien would come in and save the day and obviously Galchenyuk was beyond repair but if anyone was going to fix the situation it wasn't likely Claude.

To fans, tie goes to the young player since he could use the minutes to grow and get better, to coaches (it seems) tie goes to the veteran. I don't think any of our Cs have been good enough to differentiate themselves this year, especially lately so you'd figure the ice time would be pretty even until that happens but Danault played 22 mins last game and Jesperi 13.

 

[willzyix]

To fans, tie goes to the young player since he could use the minutes to grow and get better, to coaches (it seems) tie goes to the veteran. I don't think any of our Cs have been good enough to differentiate themselves this year, especially lately so you'd figure the ice time would be pretty even until that happens but Danault played 22 mins last game and Jesperi 13.

It's because the coaches right now want to win. Bergy is going all in on a run with Price and Weber. For Julien and Ducharme, it's probably not worth balancing the ice time and potentially dropping points during the season while guys like KK make mistakes and learn.

If you're going to cut Danault's ice time, you're going to be playing one of Suzuki, Evans and KK against the top lines of other teams occasionally, and if that translates to GA and losses, it could result in missed playoffs and, most likely, Ducharme's job.

The young guys are going to get the short end of the stick in this org until they blow the whole thing up and accept losing. It was never Julien's or Ducharme's fault, they're just trying to fulfill impossible expectations in a crappy situation and keep their job.

 

[Mrb1p]

It's because the coaches right now want to win. Bergy is going all in on a run with Price and Weber. For Julien and Ducharme, it's probably not worth balancing the ice time and potentially dropping points during the season while guys like KK make mistakes and learn.

If you're going to cut Danault's ice time, you're going to be playing one of Suzuki, Evans and KK against the top lines of other teams occasionally, and if that translates to GA and losses, it could result in missed playoffs and, most likely, Ducharme's job.

The young guys are going to get the short end of the stick in this org until they blow the whole thing up and accept losing. It was never Julien's or Ducharme's fault, they're just trying to fulfill impossible expectations in a crappy situation and keep their job.

Been hearing this shit for twenty yeafs now and Ive still yet to see a winning team. Funny how that works.

 

[habsfan9779]

You think Danault has been better then Kotkaniemi this year?

He hasn't scored a goal, the line he centers had been dismantled cause it was so bad and he hasn't been as solid defensively.

So basically...for Kotkaniemi to get more of an opportunity, he has to be a PPG player, averaging 13 mins a game?

Seems about right with how the Habs have operated the last 25yrs.

Young players have to be perfect

Veterans can shit the bed every night and it's ok.[/QUOTE


Danault can be a lot better I agree. I just think for the moment KK hasn't proved he can take the tough matchups like Danault or Suzuki. Once he proves he can hold is own against top guys, the pendulum will swing and we will see him in the top six.

KK is not ready to play on a nightly basis against Matthews, Marner, McD, Drai...

 

[Mrb1p]

Danault aint ready either, never has, never will be.

 

[habsfan9779]

Danault aint ready either, never has, never will be.

He must still do some things right since he was #5 in selke voting last year

 

[Mrb1p]

He must still do some things right since he was #5 in selke voting last year

He does, like play for the Habs and have a QC name while having very limited offensive output but still playing on the first line.

Plekanec is twenty times the defensive player Danault is and never even got in the top 6, I wonder why.

 

[sandviper]

You think Danault has been better then Kotkaniemi this year?

He hasn't scored a goal, the line he centers had been dismantled cause it was so bad and he hasn't been as solid defensively.

So basically...for Kotkaniemi to get more of an opportunity, he has to be a PPG player, averaging 13 mins a game?

Seems about right with how the Habs have operated the last 25yrs.

Young players have to be perfect

Veterans can shit the bed every night and it's ok.

KK has been inconsistent, which is expected from young players but when that kid is on, he is and had been way more dominant than Danault.

Sure, string more good games together, but anyone who doesn’t recognize KK is actually a better player than Danault, well, dunno what to tell them.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

We should probably give him a week as head coach before being upset. Maybe he wants to give the vets a couple games before doing his thing...at least I hope.

My thoughts exactly

Also, Dano's and Chiarot's TOI might also indicate they're being showcased.

If MB canned his coach, there's probably other moves incoming.

 

[Mrb1p]

My thoughts exactly

Also, Dano's and Chiarot's TOI might also indicate they're being showcased.

If MB canned his coach, there's probably other moves incoming.

Wouldnt it make more sense to pkay them less than Kovalev on a ODR if they wanted to showcase them?

 

[blarneylad]

I bet Ducharme is a Eddy Hall fan

Or Eddy Shore..Old Time Hockey

 

[Apeironic]

My thoughts exactly

Also, Dano's and Chiarot's TOI might also indicate they're being showcased.

If MB canned his coach, there's probably other moves incoming.

I hope this logic pans out. But it won't-- we both know it won't.

 

[SlafCaufield]

Koko needs more icetime,, hopfully DD can see that.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I hope this logic pans out. But it won't-- we both know it won't.

24 minutes for Chiarot?

That smells funky to me

 

[1909]

Koko needs more icetime,, hopfully DD can see that.

KK needs to learn how to skate and stay on his feet. He needs to learn how to shoot faster... He needs lo learn how to win faceoffs. He needs a lot of training to get more ice time....

 

[1909]

KK has been inconsistent, which is expected from young players but when that kid is on, he is and had been way more dominant than Danault.

Sure, string more good games together, but anyone who doesn’t recognize KK is actually a better player than Danault, well, dunno what to tell them.

Right now.... he is not.

I was hoping he would be better this season after what he showed in the last (July) Playoffs.... But it seems he needs more seasoning.

 

[SlafCaufield]

KK needs to learn how to skate and stay on his feet. He needs to learn how to shoot faster... He needs lo learn how to win faceoffs. He needs a lot of training to get more ice time....

not really but ok

 

[otto bond]

Let's get real, I want JK to step up and take the bull by it's horn. He has the skills, size, hockey IQ....just grow. As for Danault, I have less of a problem if he played more like last year and this could help the team but he plays like a player sobbing.
He's been soft and terrible since the PO.
Back to JK, my hopes is that he gets stronger and plays with an edge while bringing in a offensive flair and touch.

 

[Doc McKenna]

It's not like he wasn't on the bench watching this all unfold prior to getting the head gig, the fact that he gave Danault his season high in ice isn't inspiring lol.

I think people underrate how almost all hockey coaches are like this, it was the same thing with Therrien/Galchenyuk. Everyone thought Claude f***ing Julien would come in and save the day and obviously Galchenyuk was beyond repair but if anyone was going to fix the situation it wasn't likely Claude.

To fans, tie goes to the young player since he could use the minutes to grow and get better, to coaches (it seems) tie goes to the veteran. I don't think any of our Cs have been good enough to differentiate themselves this year, especially lately so you'd figure the ice time would be pretty even until that happens but Danault played 22 mins last game and Jesperi 13.

I wasn't happy with evans seeing the pine either, unless we had been using a prospect in that spot "for a looksie"

 

[Mrb1p]

KK needs to learn how to skate and stay on his feet. He needs to learn how to shoot faster... He needs lo learn how to win faceoffs. He needs a lot of training to get more ice time....

Hes been much improved on FOs though, some nights hes come out at 80%. Its always "he needs to be better" but never Im willing to give him a chance.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

My thoughts exactly

Also, Dano's and Chiarot's TOI might also indicate they're being showcased.

If MB canned his coach, there's probably other moves incoming.

The best solution to showcase those 2 players would be for them to play less.
When you play 22min of hockey and produces absolutely nothing offensively says it all.
Also who was hot in the last 2 years? Tatar and Gallagher. Who is putrid since covid bubbles , Tatar and Gallagher and who stopped being relevant since ? Danault.
What a crazy coincidence.

 

[Ozmodiar]

KK needs to learn how to skate and stay on his feet. He needs to learn how to shoot faster... He needs lo learn how to win faceoffs. He needs a lot of training to get more ice time....

Skating? Sure. Needs work.

faceoffs? Doing well for a young player.

shooting? Good release. Needs to make quicker decisions, generally speaking.