Player Discussion Jeff Gorton

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Amazing how they put Killorn back with Stamkos and Kuch and Miller instantly went back to being Miller.

But I was told that shooting percentage of 22% was because Miller was no longer held back by AV

 

[Machinehead]

But I was told that shooting percentage of 22% was because Miller was no longer held back by AV

Miller would be relatively low on my list of players AV treated like shit.

 

[kovazub94]

Miller would be relatively low on my list of players AV treated like ****.

Who'd be ahead besides Buch and Stempniak?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Miller would be relatively low on my list of players AV treated like ****.

Exactly. Miller was producing because he was playing with Kucherov and Stamkos. I would put up points with those two and I can't even skate.

 

[kovazub94]

Exactly. Miller was producing because he was playing with Kucherov and Stamkos. I would put up points with those two and I can't even skate.

And you were still allowed to have a work permit in Sweden?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

And you were still allowed to have a work permit in Sweden?

Sweden?

 

[kovazub94]

Sweden?

I thought you were there on an assignment?

 

[Machinehead]

Who'd be ahead besides Buch and Stempniak?

First of all, Ryan McDonagh who's #1 AINEC.

Also ahead of Miller

-Yandle
-Kreider
-Lundqvist
-E. Staal
-Hayes
-Namestnikov
-Skjei
-Smith
-ADA

Miller consistently got soft top 6 minutes. And he opened his big trap and blamed AV but notice Gorton couldn't wait to get rid of the both of them.

 

[kovazub94]

First of all, Ryan McDonagh who's #1 AINEC.

Also ahead of Miller

-Yandle - Yes
-Kreider - No
-Lundqvist - In press - Yes, otherwise - No
-E. Staal - Too short so No
-Hayes - No
-Namestnikov - No (at least not yet)
-Skjei - No
-Smith - No
-ADA - No

Miller consistently got soft top 6 minutes. And he opened his big trap and blamed AV but notice Gorton couldn't wait to get rid of the both of them.

Just to clarify - I not saying all of these players were not yanked around by AV, I just disagree they got it more than Miller.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I thought you were there on an assignment?

No, I moved to Vienna, Austria, last summer for work. I travel to Finland sometimes, but the 2 times I traveled to Sweden it was just a weekend to visit friends and watch some Frolunda games

 

[FireGerardGallant]

First of all, Ryan McDonagh who's #1 AINEC.

Also ahead of Miller

-Yandle
-Kreider
-Lundqvist
-E. Staal
-Hayes
-Namestnikov
-Skjei
-Smith
-ADA

Miller consistently got soft top 6 minutes. And he opened his big trap and blamed AV but notice Gorton couldn't wait to get rid of the both of them.

I agree with all these except Lundquvist. When was he misused?

 

[Irishguy42]

I agree with all these except Lundquvist. When was he misused?

Starting more games than necessary.

 

[kovazub94]

Starting more games than necessary.

I know what you mean but I think Lundqvist himself would agree with AV on his (over)use.

 

[Irishguy42]

I know what you mean but I think Lundqvist himself would agree with AV on his (over)use.

Lundqvist would want to start all 82 games if he had the chance. Doesn't mean it's correct.

 

[Machinehead]

-Kreider was benched twice for every time Miller was

-Lundqvist was healthy scratched this year

-Hayes was thrown into extremely hard usage with no warning and no indication he's capable of doing so. We got lucky he succeeded.

-there's enough of a sample to say Staal isn't a third liner

-Did you forget Skjei and Smith getting "lost" against Ottawa?

-ADA was constantly out of the lineup for a scrub like O'Gara or Kampfer

-Namestnikov was played out of position and then demoted

Explain to me what AV did to Miller that was horrible.

 

[Machinehead]

Starting more games than necessary.

That and the debacle this year where he was shit talked to the media and then benched for Georgiev.

I found the "injury" to be quite mysterious.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

That and the debacle this year where he was **** talked to the media and then benched for Georgiev.

I found the "injury" to be quite mysterious.

But Hank has actually played most of the year injured. Didn't he say he's not competing in the wc's this year because of his knee? If anything AV misused Hank by forcing him to play through that

 

[kovazub94]

-Kreider was benched twice for every time Miller was

-Lundqvist was healthy scratched this year

-Hayes was thrown into extremely hard usage with no warning and no indication he's capable of doing so. We got lucky he succeeded.

-there's enough of a sample to say Staal isn't a third liner

-Did you forget Skjei and Smith getting "lost" against Ottawa?

-ADA was constantly out of the lineup for a scrub like O'Gara or Kampfer

-Namestnikov was played out of position and then demoted

Explain to me what AV did to Miller that was horrible.

As I put with my edits, I don't propose that these players were not yanked around, held on a short leash or spent time in a AV's doghouse. All examples you pointed to are the same ones I considered.

IMHO cumulatively and relatively Miller got the most of it.

 

[Riche16]

I can answer the Hank one:

Because of the system AV employed in front of him WASTED 4 years of his career.

Hank was THE most abused by AV.

Robbed him of time

 

[GregSirico]

The emphasis the Rangers had on acquiring

The amount of times Gorton used the word character is more than I can count. He's not saying this for no reason.

 

[Trxjw]

Why are people put off by the idea of character? Seems like an odd thing to get hung up on.

 

[Irishguy42]

Why are people put off by the idea of character? Seems like an odd thing to get hung up on.

It's not that people are getting hung up on the idea of character, it's that some people are getting hung up on the idea of choosing character over skill/talent/speed/etc.

That being said, Gorton/the Rangers aren't looking for one or the other. They have said they want skill/speed as well as character. They aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Why are people put off by the idea of character? Seems like an odd thing to get hung up on.

What Irish said, but also because the bloggersphere gets up in arms and thinks they’re going to try to build a team like Brian Burke would, despite all contrary evidence.

It’s kinda funny when it gets spun negatively because it’s being completely ignorant about the human aspect of this sport. They want skill and character. They don’t want 12 Tanner Glass’ on the ice.

 

[Irishguy42]

Character does not just mean players who are tough/gritty/etc. Having character does not mean the player lacks talent/skill/speed.

But apparently the word "character" triggers a lot of people to think of "Oh, Gorton just wants a bunch of players like McLeod/Glass/Lapierre/etc. and doesn't want talent at all. #FireGorton"

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Why are people put off by the idea of character? Seems like an odd thing to get hung up on.

Character is good as long as it's a tie breaker and not a main decider. Plus what does it even mean?