Confirmed with Link: Jason Botterill: it's a situation where he is the new General Manager -- MOD WARNING #1851

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  1. tsujimoto74

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    There is an ROR thread to talk about ROR. This is not the place for it. Knock it off.

    I get that part of evaluating a GM is looking at the trades he makes, but this is not the place to rehash the same tired arguments we've been having about ROR on this board since July.
     
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    How does the guy with an mba from Michigan just accept that his employee is ignorant to usefulness of statistics?
     
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    Again, if retaining ROR would have prevented Botts from pursuing Skinner, that reflects poorly on Botterill. That was a club that finished DFL in GF last year and they had traded the guy who would've been their leading goal-scorer (Kane). Specifically, if his plan entering the season was to replace Kane's goals off the wing was "do nothing and hope the guys here will backfill that production," then we've got much bigger problems.
     
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    make a ****in traaaaaaaaaaaaaade
     
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    Bonus points for vocabulary.

    Not sure I follow... They dumped 5 years of $7.5 per for useful top-45-in-NHL-center-production, but turned around and took back 2 years of a combined ($3.85 + $3.5 = $7.35) and 2 additional years of $3.85 of borderline NHL production.

    There was no $7.5M savings, any way you look at it.
     
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    You don't live in Buffalo?
     
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    I mean he had one good draft over ten seasons. The cupboard was bare for a very long time.
     
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    The pegulas saved 7.5mil
    The Sabres lost a bit of value in the trade.
    Edit: You are talking bout the signing bonus arent you cause there are no savings contractwise?
     
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    It’s hard to pin that on Regier. The scouting changes weren’t his idea. That was Gollisano.
     
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    HC didnt know how to use Kane here.
    He only managed to drive his value down till last years TDL with him not scoring much after a hot start.
     
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    If they made the trade after paying the bonus it would cost them bonus+the new contracts. Wasn’t the bonus pretty much the whole cap hit this year? Meaning a payout in about 14-15 million instead for what we ended up with.
     
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    Um I'm on boat with Housley blowing goats as a coach, because he does. But Evander Kane stopped scoring mostly because his effort fell substantially once he knew he was out the door at the deadline. Kane was force fed minutes with Eichel and on power play to try to drive up his value.
     
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    Culture change isnt always because a player isnt working out as a person or a player.
    My believe is they simply wanted to shake things up.
     
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    Why would he intentionally stop scoring in his contract year that makes no sense.
     
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    It’s been a while since we’ve heard from Botts
     
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    Forget completely whiffing on first round picks in multiple years before 2010. The 2010 and 2011 drafts were horrifically awful. The 2012 first round and the development of those players did not help the franchise. The 2013 draft was pretty good but only two players remain in the organization. (That's not on him.)

    It's one of the many reasons why the team is where they are now. The franchise has been mismanaged for a decade. Hopefully, they've turned the corner.
     
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    Turning down a team gifting you one of the best even strength goal scorers in the league would be as dumb as trading ROR away for scraps.
     
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    Well, it's nice to know then that apparently we were smarter than 31 other teams on that front.
     
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    Ask Kane. Maybe he was trying to not get hurt. I'm not inside the guys head. But it was super obvious his effort level went down.
     
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    Refer to this

     
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    Trading 2 1st round picks in what is going to be the best draft in a generation will haunt this team for the next decade. (Not JBs fault obviously). Getting crap back for ROR sucks, but maybe we get the next Pasternak with that pick.
     
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    Not looking to argue, but I'm not sure that's completely true.
    Throughout his career, Kane's been an roughly even goals vs. assists scorer, and he's averaged ~0.6-0.66ppg each season. His final 3/4 season in BUF in 2017-18 was no different.
    Force fed minutes with Eichel...??? Whom else was Eichel clamoring for on his left side? Benoit Pouliot, his ex-landlord Matt Moulson, Seth Griffith, Scott Wilson??? Kane was taking time away from no one, and I don't think he was force-fed minutes to drive up his value. NHL teams new Kane's value before he came to BUF. That Kane was able to drive play and put up points despite the low-talent & ineptly-coached Sabres squads for 2.75 seasons did nothing but cement his value.

    If his effort went down, perhaps it was the odor of Dahlin in the air in the 2nd half of the season...
     
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