jc17
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How does the guy with an mba from Michigan just accept that his employee is ignorant to usefulness of statistics?
I'm not even sure we make the Skinner trade at all without the O'Reilly trade
We don't
Leon Czolgosz.Who did more damage - Botts or Murray?
Bonus points for vocabulary.I'm tired of relitigating this point.
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As bad as the trade was it might be nothing to you but to the sabres they saved 7.5m(Which for some reason was important to them)got a 1st and Tage Thompson.
Not sure I follow... They dumped 5 years of $7.5 per for useful top-45-in-NHL-center-production, but turned around and took back 2 years of a combined ($3.85 + $3.5 = $7.35) and 2 additional years of $3.85 of borderline NHL production.I am not sure why but that 7.5m seemed important for the sabres to dump. I agree with you Pegula didn't not give that image off before but they took a 180 on it.
I'm sorry, I disagree with the ROR eval. Buffalo traded for O'Reilly who would not sign in Colorado and needed a contract. Buffalo took a big gamble to trade for him. Thats why the price was good for Buffalo. I mean he could have walked and Buffalo could have been left with nothing. We trading him while he was under contract for 5 more years. That's a huge difference. While the pieces may be close to equal to acquire O'Reilly, the circumstances are way different. The crappy city of Buffalo had 2 great centers locked up and traded one for peanuts because of hurt feelings.
I mean he had one good draft over ten seasons. The cupboard was bare for a very long time.Nonsense
The pegulas saved 7.5milAs bad as the trade was it might be nothing to you but to the sabres they saved 7.5m(Which for some reason was important to them)got a 1st and Tage Thompson.
It’s hard to pin that on Regier. The scouting changes weren’t his idea. That was Gollisano.I mean he had one good draft over ten seasons. The cupboard was bare for a very long time.
HC didnt know how to use Kane here.Again, if retaining ROR would have prevented Botts from pursuing Skinner, that reflects poorly on Botterill. That was a club that finished DFL in GF last year and they had traded the guy who would've been their leading goal-scorer (Kane). Specifically, if his plan entering the season was to replace Kane's goals off the wing was "do nothing and hope the guys here will backfill that production," then we've got much bigger problems.
If they made the trade after paying the bonus it would cost them bonus+the new contracts. Wasn’t the bonus pretty much the whole cap hit this year? Meaning a payout in about 14-15 million instead for what we ended up with.The pegulas saved 7.5mil
The Sabres lost a bit of value in the trade.
Edit: You are talking bout the signing bonus arent you cause there are no savings contractwise?
Um I'm on boat with Housley blowing goats as a coach, because he does. But Evander Kane stopped scoring mostly because his effort fell substantially once he knew he was out the door at the deadline. Kane was force fed minutes with Eichel and on power play to try to drive up his value.HC didnt know how to use Kane here.
He only managed to drive his value down till last years TDL with him not scoring much after a hot start.
Culture change isnt always because a player isnt working out as a person or a player.Botterill was trying to change the locker room culture, and whether you agree or not, he identified ROR as part of the problem, and not part of the solution. The return he got for him was the market price for a guy that had just told the world he lost his passion for the game, but also had a black mark on his record in COL in a young room.
I think it is perfectly fair to judge Botterill on this trade, that maybe he didn't really understand what was going on with the team and made a bad decision. But you can't fully judge the trade on value, nor can you say things would have worked out with ROR here without looking at the full context.
Why would he intentionally stop scoring in his contract year that makes no sense.Um I'm on boat with Housley blowing goats as a coach, because he does. But Evander Kane stopped scoring mostly because his effort fell substantially once he knew he was out the door at the deadline. Kane was force fed minutes with Eichel and on power play to try to drive up his value.
It’s hard to pin that on Regier. The scouting changes weren’t his idea. That was Gollisano.
It’s been a while since we’ve heard from Botts
I'm not even sure we make the Skinner trade at all without the O'Reilly trade
He gave an interview on WGR about 2 weeks ago (Feb. 1st) -
Botterill: 'We understand how important being in the playoff hunt is'
Well, it's nice to know then that apparently we were smarter than 31 other teams on that front.Turning down a team gifting you one of the best even strength goal scorers in the league would be as dumb as trading ROR away for scraps.
/Why would he intentionally stop scoring in his contract year that makes no sense.
Well, it's nice to know then that apparently we were smarter than 31 other teams on that front.
To be fair, how hard did he have to work to acquire Skinner? Skinner wouldn't sign in Carolina and word is he would only go to two teams. Toronto's full on forwards. This makes Botterills job pretty easy.
Not looking to argue, but I'm not sure that's completely true.Um I'm on boat with Housley blowing goats as a coach, because he does. But Evander Kane stopped scoring mostly because his effort fell substantially once he knew he was out the door at the deadline. Kane was force fed minutes with Eichel and on power play to try to drive up his value.
If his effort went down, perhaps it was the odor of Dahlin in the air in the 2nd half of the season.../
Ask Kane. Maybe he was trying to not get hurt. I'm not inside the guys head. But it was super obvious his effort level went down.
This needs to be mentioned every time someone brings up fixing the culture with ROR. There is not a shred of evidence to suggest Botts' reasoning for the trade was anything other than "well i can't keep a last place team together, and he's the oldest member of the core with the biggest cap hit, so he's obviously the one to move." Not a single shred of evidence, in a league where I can read about Artemi Panarin's trade request, and Duchene not speaking to anyone for weeks while still on the Avalanche after a trade demand, while I'm on the toilet.Culture change isnt always because a player isnt working out as a person or a player.
My believe is they simply wanted to shake things up.