Jaromir Jagr to finish 35 games short of all-time record

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  1. Future GOAT

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    As someone who watched both these guys from the starts of their careers up to today, there is no question who was the more offensively dominant player. That was and still is Jagr.
     
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    Actually, it appears likely it will belong to Patrick Marleau.
     
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    No, his knees completely gave up on him. It's why he had to leave Calgary and even when he was 'playing' with his Czech team most nights he would line up for the opening face off just to get a few seconds of ice time then go sit on the bench and essentially help coach.
     
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    He wasn't as consistent in his prime, but at his absolute best, Malkin was as good as Jagr had ever been.

    Not once has Jagr been as dominant in the playoffs as 2009 Malkin.
     
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    Oilers need a winger...
     
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    In 2000 playoffs, Jagr scored 8 goals and added 8 assists in the first 8 games. 4 GWG, 1 OTG. The point of break came in the ninth game in which he played almost 60 minutes and failed to score. He wouldn't do a thing for the rest of the series, but still finished with 16 points in 11 games. You could argue that for the first eight games, he was more dominant than any Pen ever except for Lemieux.

    The second most productive Pen that PS was Jan Hrdina, Jagr's own product.
     
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    Lemieux was an absolute shell of his former self by that point. No longer a Hart Trophy or Ted Lindsay candidate.

    None of the other guys where Art Ross/Hart/Ted lindsay players. You completely ignored the point I was making.

    Crosby benefited from having a guy as good as him for his entire career. They've benefited from being in their prime at the same time.
     
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    Absolutely foolish thing to say.

    Jagr was lightyears beyond Crosby offensively. Jagr played in Crosby's era and put up a 123pts season... something Crosby has never done. Keep in mind Jagr did it as a 35 year old.

    Look at Jagr's numbers during the 4 Art Ross span. Scoring was lower than in Crosby's era (leaguewide), yet Jagr put up much more impressive numbers.

    Crosby hasn't put up a 100pts season in the last 5 years. Jagr dominated the league during that same age span.

    Jagr was the only player, not named Gretzky or Lemieux, to win an Art Ross in the span of 20 years. Crosby traded Art Ross with the likes of the Sedin Twins and Jamie Benn.

    You can tell me Crosby is the better leader, I would agree. You could tell me Crosby is the better human being, I would shrug but Jagr is far more talented and that's a fact.
     
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    Eh, I dispute the "Era" comment. Jagr did that once in the cap era, and it was in the 2005-2006 season when offensive stats were way-up.
    Crosby's #'s are fantastic, and if not for injuries would have beaten the 123 points. IMO, he's better and more complete than Jagr in his prime (Cropsby had 120 the year after Jagr had 123 points FYI)
     
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    15 consecutive 30 goal seasons
     
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    Did you forget that Jagr played a good part of his career in the no defence era. Everyone's numbers were inflated.
     
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    There is zero debate on who is the better offensive player; Jagr or Crosby. Its Jagr AINEC

    Crosby is ahead when all things are concidered.
     
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    Everything done during that time frame was done with Jagr in mind. Ivan Hlinka was brought in for Jágr. Francis was traded so Jagr could become captain.
     
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    I think Jagr should play in the KHL for one conditioning season, then come back to the NHL for the 2020/2021 season.

    Never bet against Jagr coming back.
     
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    Jagr was never a main cog in any playoff run. He had some good games, but he never elevated his team the way Mario & Sid have. That’s why he’s behind them.
     
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    Lemieux was a shell when he put up 161 pts in 95/96, & 122 in 96/97. When he came back in 00/01, he put up 76 points in half a season. That’s quite a “shell” of a player
     
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    As a Pens’ fan, Jags is easily the second best Penguin of all-time.

    Prime Jagr would circles around Crosby and Malkin.
     
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    OK, now we know that you know nothing.

    Francis signed with the Hurricanes as a free agent.
     
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    This is a complete hogwash too.

    Jagr took the Pens through many series. There was no playoff without him in the late nineties early 00s, as proven by the fact the Pens never made the post season after his departure (01) until 2007.

    Jagr elevated the Pens by even dragging them into the playoffs.
     
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    This is simply a myth. Jagr was one of the best, if not the best playoff performer during his prime. He just was not on very good teams. Crosby has zero cups with mid to late 90s Pens team. And overall he was simply better offensive player than Sid. Stats prove it quite clearly.
     
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    I'm clearly talking about 97 to 2001, when Lemieux did not play for 3 years and finally came back.

    Look what Jagr accomplished when a shell-of-his-former self Lemieux came back in 2001. The amount of points Lemieux put up in his comeback doesn't matter, if you actually watched him play, you'd know he was a shell. Just like the Jagr that put up 123 pts in 2005-2006 was a shell-of-his-former-self.
     
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    Again. Looks at this numbers during the 4 Art Ross in a row. Looks at the goals per game per team average for the league, during that span.

    NHL League Averages | Hockey-Reference.com

    1997-1998 2.64 GPG
    1998-1999 2.63 GPG
    1999-2000 2.75 GPG
    2000-2001 2.76 GPG

    During that span, Jagr put up
    GP77 G 35 A 67 PTS 102
    GP81 G 44 A 83 PTS 127
    GP63 G 42 A 54 PTS 96
    GP81 G 52 A 69 PTS 121

    Crosby's 2 Art Ross Winning Seasons

    2006-2007 2.95 GPG
    2013-2014 2.74 GPG

    GP 79 G 36 A 84 PTS 120
    GP 80 G 36 A 68 PTS 104

    Don't feed me crap about high scoring era. Jagr was far more dominant and put up higher numbers in a much lower scoring era (Dead Puck Era).

     
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    I'm talking about the earlier part of his career when the scoring was a lot higher.
    You only posted stats for a shirt period of his career. You didnt even post the season which was his highest in offensive production. You also have forgotten that Hus early numbers were probably inflated playing on a line with Lemieux. Your argument doesn't hold water.
     
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    What are you even talking about? Jagr posted his best numbers during the DPE because in the early nineties, he played on the third/second lines with very limited PP time. If anything, the early nineties or more specifically the situation in Pittsburgh cost him points instead of "inflating" anything.
     
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    Jags should just sign with Ottawa and get the record...season is done, who cares. It would at least be something to look forward to.
     
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