James Van Riemsdyk
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God, every player discussion is just a jukebox of complaints about our players. No heart, no toughness, etc.
Ask any fan of another team if they'd want JVR on theirs, they'd say yes immediately. Guy is on a great contract, produces, and yet that's not enough unless he's Tie Domi 2.0.
And chirps about him being American? Having a bad attitude? Sure. Did he send you a mean PM on hfboards? Because that's the only way you'd know.
Ask any fan of another team if they'd want JVR on theirs, they'd say yes immediately. Guy is on a great contract, produces, and yet that's not enough unless he's Tie Domi 2.0.
And chirps about him being American? Having a bad attitude? Sure. Did he send you a mean PM on hfboards? Because that's the only way you'd know.
Did he not sign your hockey card? You have no idea about his heart and leadership.
Really glad he's on our team and pretty pathetic that statements like this are made with reckless abandon. Maybe you should follow a team where every player is the next Gary Roberts.
Actually, I see a lot of similarities between the two players to be honest. Both guys were/are big, both of them don't/didn't use their size to their advantage, both players had/have above average NHL shots, both guys have very poor vision out there. The big difference between the two IMO is JVR uses his shot a lot more then Poni did, as well he's more consistent at driving the net, Poni was a lot more defesnively responsible then JVR currently is.
I'd say they're similair but also different too. To be fair I'd say a better comparable would be Max Pacrioetty, they are identical that it's almost eerie.
ThatQuietGuy93
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ThatQuietGuy93
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I think JVR is one of the most underrated passers in the league, dude knows how to sauce the dish.
Tak7
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He and Morgan Rielly are probably the only 2 contracts that the Leafs are getting full value for right now. The rest of them are either underperforming, or are being overpaid for their role
I don't think you move someone like that. Of course it all depends on the return.
No. The success that Pocahonski had came from being a hard working, industrious player that benefited from playing with two Hall of Fame players in Sundin and Nieuwendyk as well as a decently talented guy in Andropoff. JVR is a guy with a ton of natural gifts and talent that benefits from playing with a Hall of Very Good player in Kessel, but I don't think he's got the meat and potatoes attitude that Poni had
Ponies has almost nothing in common with either JvR or Patcioretty dude. JvR has great vision, have you seen some of the passes the guy makes? From a talent perspective he is literally lacking in nothing except a shot. His shot is accurate but he doesn't have a quick and hard release. His only problem is consistensy and intensity, if the Leafs trade him they're crazy.
Diatomic
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Tough call on JVR.
Everyone knows that the guys has skill but here is the thing. If this guy had some actual drive and sense of team spirit he would be a very dominant player in his own right and not just a skilled winger who opportunistically gets his points off of Kessel's production. If they could get JVR to start to manufacture his own scoring chances rather than rely on Kessel so much he would be a great asset to the team.
Personally i would trade him while his value is quite high. Either that or put him on the second line with insulated minutes as well as with dependable forwards. Then again maybe with a different coach and not playing with Kessel so much it might bring him into his own. Alright trade him if the return is really good.
JVR is Kessel light. lol
Everyone knows that the guys has skill but here is the thing. If this guy had some actual drive and sense of team spirit he would be a very dominant player in his own right and not just a skilled winger who opportunistically gets his points off of Kessel's production. If they could get JVR to start to manufacture his own scoring chances rather than rely on Kessel so much he would be a great asset to the team.
Personally i would trade him while his value is quite high. Either that or put him on the second line with insulated minutes as well as with dependable forwards. Then again maybe with a different coach and not playing with Kessel so much it might bring him into his own. Alright trade him if the return is really good.
JVR is Kessel light. lol
Tak7
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Crazy isn't it?
Made the point a few pages ago - what if this guy engaged and applied himself occasionally. He's put up 41 points almost automatically while playing well within himself. No where near as impactful as he was last season.
The flip side is what does that say about his upside and potential? What sort of player can he be if he does eventually figure it out?
That's the sort of thing that the Maple Leafs should be gambling on. In the past, they've never gambled / taken the risk on potential and upside, and instead have chosen character and leadership.
