NBA James Harden Trade Speculation Thread

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Several playoff-caliber teams in the Eastern and Western conferences tell ESPN that they're finding increased comfort in committing high-level trade assets in talks to acquire Harden. The Rockets have ongoing discussions on several fronts and have been communicating with Harden about those scenarios, sources said.

Several teams tell ESPN that they're feeling less inhibited about trading for Harden without an assurance that he'd re-sign once he can become a free agent in two years.

While the Sixers have signaled a willingness to include All-Star guard Ben Simmons in trade packages for Harden, those talks have come nowhere close to a deal, sources said. The Nets are limited by the Rockets' interest in their personnel, and likely would need a third team to emerge in talks, sources said. So far, the Rockets steep asking price of young players and pick hasn't moved any of their discussions into an advanced stage.

The part about Simmons being available is very interesting. Every report prior to this said the Sixers have refused to put him in the trade. The Rockets aren't getting a better player back than Simmons.
 

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His personal trainer story was one of the worst excuses of all time.

If you're gonna lie..... at least make sure theres no proof to the contrary on social media :facepalm:





The part about Simmons being available is very interesting. Every report prior to this said the Sixers have refused to put him in the trade. The Rockets aren't getting a better player back than Simmons.


Likewise theres 0 chance they could acquire Harden without giving up at least one of Simmons/Embiid. Will be interesting who else they have to move to make the salaries/cap work.
 

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I do believe Simmons is available, and Morey is just managing the short-term optics of it all. That's the best player Houston can get, even if it is a terrible fit basketball-wise.

If Simmons really is off the table, I have to think that Miami is in the driver's seat. The only other possibility I can think of is if Boston is willing to deal Jaylen Brown, but I doubt it.
 

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wonder if the warriors would consider making an offer

wiggins or oubre/wiseman/picks
 

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Would love for the rockets to just tell harden to either play or sit we aren’t trading you
Or just trade him to wherever they can get the best value.

All of this "Harden's list of teams" that has been talked about is total nonsense.

He doesn't have a No-Trade Clause (NTC). This means he doesn't have any control if he gets traded, or to where he gets traded.

Why the Rockets or any team would allow a player without a NTC to have any control or "list of teams" is beyond me.

The Rockets should send an e-mail addressed to the GMs of every team in the league. Within that e-mail, it should simply say: "If you are interested in Harden, send us your best offer".

Then just trade him to whatever team makes the best offer and be done with it.

Allowing him to pick and choose where he is wants to be traded to is ridiculous, especially since giving him that control limits potential trade partners and limits what you can get back for him.

Why allow him to damage the return you receive for him when he will mean absolutely nothing to your franchise after you trade him?
 

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Or just trade him to wherever they can get the best value.

All of this "Harden's list of teams" that has been talked about is total nonsense.

He doesn't have a No-Trade Clause (NTC). This means he doesn't have any control if he gets traded, or to where he gets traded.

Why the Rockets or any team would allow a player without a NTC to have any control or "list of teams" is beyond me.

The Rockets should send an e-mail addressed to the GMs of every team in the league. Within that e-mail, it should simply say: "If you are interested in Harden, send us your best offer".

Then just trade him to whatever team makes the best offer and be done with it.

Allowing him to pick and choose where he is wants to be traded to is ridiculous, especially since giving him that control limits potential trade partners and limits what you can get back for him.

Why allow him to damage the return you receive for him when he will mean absolutely nothing to your franchise after you trade him?

Agreed.
 

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I don't see why any team wanting to compete for a championship would legitimately want this guy on their roster.

Don't get me wrong, he's a fantastic scorer, and I said if all it takes is Simmons for Philadelphia to get him they should be all over it. But it won't. Houston wants a kings ransom, and he's just not worth it.
I agree.

He was given a very good supporting cast with Houston, and wasn't able to deliver any meaningful success.

Why would anyone think he would deliver success with a lesser supporting cast? A lesser supporting cast is what he will be surrounded by, once you factor in all the pieces it will take to acquire him.

Then you have the fact that he isn't a team-player, and has supposedly turned-off many teammates with his attitude and behaviour.

There are reasons to believe, based on reports, that he is a locker-room cancer.
 

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Or just trade him to wherever they can get the best value.

All of this "Harden's list of teams" that has been talked about is total nonsense.

He doesn't have a No-Trade Clause (NTC). This means he doesn't have any control if he gets traded, or to where he gets traded.

Why the Rockets or any team would allow a player without a NTC to have any control or "list of teams" is beyond me.

The Rockets should send an e-mail addressed to the GMs of every team in the league. Within that e-mail, it should simply say: "If you are interested in Harden, send us your best offer".

Then just trade him to whatever team makes the best offer and be done with it.

Allowing him to pick and choose where he is wants to be traded to is ridiculous, especially since giving him that control limits potential trade partners and limits what you can get back for him.

Why allow him to damage the return you receive for him when he will mean absolutely nothing to your franchise after you trade him?
The NBA is not the NHL. It's a player-driven league. Stars run the show - sometimes to the detriment of the league and its teams, such as in this scenario with Harden.

The reason he can demand a list of teams versus Houston just sending him wherever is because he's only got one more season after this one under contract, then he can opt out in the summer of 2022.

Teams aren't going to want to give up a kings ransom for him unless they know he's coming with a willingness to sign a contract extension. Teams like Brooklyn/Philadelphia/Miami have reason to believe he will, especially Brooklyn. Other teams? He'd either walk at the end of his contract or straight up just not show until that new team trades him to his preferred destination.
 

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Or just trade him to wherever they can get the best value.

All of this "Harden's list of teams" that has been talked about is total nonsense.

He doesn't have a No-Trade Clause (NTC). This means he doesn't have any control if he gets traded, or to where he gets traded.

Why the Rockets or any team would allow a player without a NTC to have any control or "list of teams" is beyond me.

The Rockets should send an e-mail addressed to the GMs of every team in the league. Within that e-mail, it should simply say: "If you are interested in Harden, send us your best offer".

Then just trade him to whatever team makes the best offer and be done with it.

Allowing him to pick and choose where he is wants to be traded to is ridiculous, especially since giving him that control limits potential trade partners and limits what you can get back for him.

Why allow him to damage the return you receive for him when he will mean absolutely nothing to your franchise after you trade him?
No team will give up the best offer if he doesn’t want to go there.
 
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The NBA is not the NHL. It's a player-driven league. Stars run the show - sometimes to the detriment of the league and its teams, such as in this scenario with Harden.

The reason he can demand a list of teams versus Houston just sending him wherever is because he's only got one more season after this one under contract, then he can opt out in the summer of 2022.

Teams aren't going to want to give up a kings ransom for him unless they know he's coming with a willingness to sign a contract extension. Teams like Brooklyn/Philadelphia/Miami have reason to believe he will, especially Brooklyn. Other teams? He'd either walk at the end of his contract or straight up just not show until that new team trades him to his preferred destination.

No team will give up the best offer if he doesn’t want to go there.

I can't believe this had to be pointed out. Harden will just tell any team he's not interested in to go f*** itself.

Yes, maybe trading him to someplace he doesn't want to go will damage your return. In that case, you wouldn't trade him to one of those places, if the return is better from a team that he wants to go to.

The point of asking all 29 other teams to submit their best offers is to take back control of the process. To not let James Harden dictate this process.

Might he end up going to one of his preferred destinations anyways? Yes, if they are the ones who submit the best offer.

But to basically take the approach of needing his approval before you even pursue a trading partner? That is ridiculous. You can't be allowing him to control the process like that.

Giving him that control eliminates any chance at all of obtaining the best possible trade for him, because it eliminates all but a few teams. It also sets a very bad precedent for any player in the future who has thoughts of trying to manipulate you or coerce you.
 
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