Player Discussion Jakub Nakladal

[InfinityIggy]

Josh Jooris 86 Sam Bennett 63 Markus Granlund 60

On a side not, isn't Sams real number 93?

Those are 'farm' numbers according to management. Players who make the team out of camp get a lower number.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Good on the Flames for turning over every rock. I only know his name (which I cannot pronounce). Hopefully he turns into something, if not, oh well. Welcome to the Flames!

 

[Lunatik]

I am personally taking this as a sign that Eric Roy will not be signed by the Flames.

 

[Gritty]

Yes because choosing to wear the number of your birth year on the back is apparently cancerous and everyone all over the world have to be aware that number is for saints only.

 

[InfinityIggy]

I am personally taking this as a sign that Eric Roy will not be signed by the Flames.

Yes this is the straw that broke the camels back

I had such high hopes for Roy. Le sigh.

 

[AgeOfBennett]

I am personally taking this as a sign that Eric Roy will not be signed by the Flames.

I don't understand why we wouldn't sign him. He played good and put up some great numbers in the playoffs this year

 

[InfinityIggy]

I don't understand why we wouldn't sign him. He played good and put up some great numbers in the playoffs this year

He can't play defence like at all, worse yet he only marginally improved his defence since being drafted.

 

[Devilspuppet666]

He can't play defence like at all, worse yet he only marginally improved his defence since being drafted.

this.. i had a feeling it would have taken a monster year for the flames to sign Roy

 

[Anglesmith]

Josh Jooris 86 Sam Bennett 63 Markus Granlund 60

On a side not, isn't Sams real number 93?

Yeah, that's what management wants it to be, though. A number <35 means you're a full-time player who earned a spot on the opening-day roster. A number >35 means you aren't there yet and you still have to prove you belong.

 

[Lunatik]

I don't understand why we wouldn't sign him. He played good and put up some great numbers in the playoffs this year

Great numbers as an overage player on the best offensive team in the WHL. What tells me alot is that he wasn't good enough to be a top pairing defenseman as an overager. Roy's defense is non-existent.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

2nd pairing defenseman in Stockton, you heard it here first boys. Makes no sense whatsoever on his part. But, have fun with that, I guess.

Depending on the structure of his contract, he wouldn't be making much different money than he would in Liiga. Might actually be more in the AHL, and definitely more if he sticks in the NHL. Big potential reward on his part. Even if he only sticks in the NHL for a combined 10 games on the ice/in the pressbox, it'll be financially worth the switch.

 

[Kipper933]

I remember a high-scoring D in junior that went unsigned after being drafted late. The knock on him was he was very limited defensively and wouldn't work out at the NHL level. That player was even an invite at a Flames rookie camp prior to signing his first pro contract elsewhere.

His name was Dennis Wideman.

I think with a player like Roy with a high level of ability in a certain area, you have to sign and see what you can make of him with him in your pro system every day for 3 years.


As far as this signing, from what I've read from others across the forum, I'm not going to expect much more than an AHL blueliner but some think he might play better on the smaller ice surface.

 

[InfinityIggy]

I remember a high-scoring D in junior that went unsigned after being drafted late. The knock on him was he was very limited defensively and wouldn't work out at the NHL level. That player was even an invite at a Flames rookie camp prior to signing his first pro contract elsewhere.

His name was Dennis Wideman.

I think with a player like Roy with a high level of ability in a certain area, you have to sign and see what you can make of him with him in your pro system every day for 3 years.


As far as this signing, from what I've read from others across the forum, I'm not going to expect much more than an AHL blueliner but some think he might play better on the smaller ice surface.

Interesting point for sure, however Roy lacks any elite offensive weapons and is merely quite good overall. Wideman I would argue had a cannon of a shot as well as great vision (and still does).

 

[Lunatik]

Fleury14, you are overrating Roy's abilities in comparing him to Wideman.

Wideman was more than a point per game and the top scoring defenseman on his team by 30 points. Roy was 3rd on his team among defensemen in scoring and wasn't even top 10 on his team in scoring. Big numbers on a team that scored as much as Brandon is nothing special. Plus his defensive ability is much much worse than Wideman's ever was.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Thing is, who's Roy behind? Wotherspoon, Morrison, Sieloff, Hickey, Kulak, Kanzig. I think he's behind Rafikov, Mattson and Ramage too. He may be on par with Gilmour.

Mattson is in Europe next year, Hickey and Gilmour are probably back in college. So in Stockton you will likely have Nakladal, Morrison, Sieloff, Ramage, Kulak and Kanzig, possibly Wotherspoon and maybe one other surprise player. Sure you can play Roy in the ECHL, but then you have to decide if he's worth using a contract on. As 100TG stated, signing Nakladal is going to make it very tight in Stockton.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

Thing is, who's Roy behind? Wotherspoon, Morrison, Sieloff, Hickey, Kulak, Kanzig. I think he's behind Rafikov, Mattson and Ramage too. He may be on par with Gilmour.

Mattson is in Europe next year, Hickey and Gilmour are probably back in college. So in Stockton you will likely have Nakladal, Morrison, Sieloff, Ramage, Kulak and Kanzig, possibly Wotherspoon and maybe one other surprise player. Sure you can play Roy in the ECHL, but then you have to decide if he's worth using a contract on. As 100TG stated, signing Nakladal is going to make it very tight in Stockton.

That's my biggest concern. Roy is unimpressive enough that I don't think he's worth losing the flexibility in terms of Flames contracts. Through four seasons in the WHL his offensive production has remained stagnant, he hasn't improved defensively, and his skating isn't particularly good. If he had NHL-level tools, he should've seen noticeable improvement in some aspect of his play by now.

 

[Lunatik]

Thing is, who's Roy behind? Wotherspoon, Morrison, Sieloff, Hickey, Kulak, Kanzig. I think he's behind Rafikov, Mattson and Ramage too. He may be on par with Gilmour.

Mattson is in Europe next year, Hickey and Gilmour are probably back in college. So in Stockton you will likely have Nakladal, Morrison, Sieloff, Ramage, Kulak and Kanzig, possibly Wotherspoon and maybe one other surprise player. Sure you can play Roy in the ECHL, but then you have to decide if he's worth using a contract on. As 100TG stated, signing Nakladal is going to make it very tight in Stockton.

Gilmour IMO is clearly ahead of Roy. I think Roy is by far the lowest on the defense totem pole.

 

[Anglesmith]

Treliving with some intellectual honesty:

[fieldset=Brad Treliving]We think there’s upside here, but to us the risk-reward factor we felt when we analyzed it favours upside without a great deal of risk. We’ll see. We think this is a smart, sensible signing with upside in a position that we want to continue to build and add depth.[/fieldset]

 

[CraigsList]

Treliving could make the dumbest move and still make me think it was a great decision (not that he wouldn't).

 

[InfinityIggy]

Treliving busting out his best Feasterese for that one

 

[SmellOfVictory]

Treliving busting out his best Feasterese for that one

I disagree. I've translated to Feasterese:

We think Nakladal is a future NHL star; to us the risk-reward factor we felt when we analyzed it was huge upside without any risk. We think this is pretty much the best signing of all time. Best defenseman not in the NHL.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I wonder how physical he is.

 

[DCDM]

I hope he isn't post-apex.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Small risk in this. The Flames definitely plan on revamping the defense a bit.

 

[Lunatik]

I disagree. I've translated to Feasterese:

We think Nakladal is a future NHL star; to us the risk-reward factor we felt when we analyzed it was huge upside without any risk. We think this is pretty much the best signing of all time. Best defenseman not in the NHL.

you forgot to say he will be a #1 centre in the NHL