Player Discussion Jakob Forsbacka-Karlsson - II - Signing in the Swedish Hockey League

[TaroTsujimoto]

People here are saying JFK has looked better the last x amount of games, but has he really? Is it truly him looking more confident and playing better or is it really him just not playing as poorly as he was earlier this year? I still have yet to see a level of play from him where I say this guy belongs in the NHL. He still looks like a tweener to me, a good AHL player, but a marginal NHL player.

He's not even that good in the AHL.

 

[LSCII]

He's not even that good in the AHL.

I was throwing the pro JFK crowd a bone, but you are correct.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I was throwing the pro JFK crowd a bone, but you are correct.

If he can be upgraded, they shouldn’t hesitate. I don’t understand why JFK is called up after not doing much offensively in Providence over someone like Senyshyn who is actually scoring goals. There’s a college-privilege going on. Cehlarik is another example of this, has a great preseason but Donato is handed the spot because he’s one of the college kids.

 

[rocketdan9]

If he can be upgraded, they shouldn’t hesitate. I don’t understand why JFK is called up after not doing much offensively in Providence over someone like Senyshyn who is actually scoring goals. There’s a college-privilege going on. Cehlarik is another example of this, has a great preseason but Donato is handed the spot because he’s one of the college kids.

Naw..dont think it has to do with the college thing

Donato gets sent down improves on defense, pots 5 points in 5 games and gets called up

Other guys at prov are scoring 2x slower rate but also are like a minus 9

Example Senyshyn

Unless you are Krejci, Pasta, Marchand where defensive mistakes are overlooked .... you need to be true to Cassidy system, in order to get min on the ice

Play defense/details like its second nature and if you can score...get to move up on the roster

 

[Mainehockey33]

Naw..dont think it has to do with the college thing

Donato gets sent down improves on defense, pots 5 points in 5 games and gets called up

Other guys at prov are scoring 2x slower rate but also are like a minus 9

Example Senyshyn

Unless you are Krejci, Pasta, Marchand where defensive mistakes are overlooked .... you need to be true to Cassidy system, in order to get min on the ice

Play defense/details like its second nature and if you can score...get to move up on the roster

What about Bjork? Comes out of college straight to the Bergeron line over other players. JFK leaves college and gets action right away against Washington in a game he had no business being in. Meanwhile Senyshyn has to work his way off the 4th line in Providence.

 

[rocketdan9]

What about Bjork? Comes out of college straight to the Bergeron line over other players. JFK leaves college and gets action right away against Washington in a game he had no business being in. Meanwhile Senyshyn has to work his way off the 4th line in Providence.

Yeah but bjork was a finalist for college player of the year award. Didnt JFK and Mcavoy team make it to the finals?

I think these things played a factor....

If your theory is true...why isnt Frederic, Fitzgerald, Hughes getting a bypass?

 

[Mainehockey33]

Yeah but bjork was a finalist for college player of the year award. Didnt JFK and Mcavoy team make it to the finals?

I think these things played a factor....

If your theory is true...why isnt Frederic, Fitzgerald, Hughes getting a bypass?

I think they use it as a lure to get these guys out of college if they're high on them. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. The only reason JFK got a game early was because they promised him they'd burn a year if he signed. I don't know why they prefer some players over others, but it seems like some of the college guys are handed spots out of college while others have to work their way up.

 

[LSCII]

What about Bjork? Comes out of college straight to the Bergeron line over other players. JFK leaves college and gets action right away against Washington in a game he had no business being in. Meanwhile Senyshyn has to work his way off the 4th line in Providence.

McAvoy, Grizz, Krug as well.

 

[Mainehockey33]

McAvoy, Grizz, Krug as well.

It makes sense for a bluechip prospect like Mcavoy, but not for guys like Bjork, JFK and Donato.

Krug and Grzelcyk played in the AHL for awhile before coming up. I don’t understand why the forwards skipped the line and didn’t need that extra development time, because they clearly do.

 

[PlayMakers]

What about Bjork? Comes out of college straight to the Bergeron line over other players. JFK leaves college and gets action right away against Washington in a game he had no business being in. Meanwhile Senyshyn has to work his way off the 4th line in Providence.

I agree with you that the B's brass shows favoritism, but I'm not sure it's a college thing. Carlo came from juniors, he skipped the line. Gryz went to college but spent time in the AHL. Lauzon and Vaak are not college players but they saw time ahead of Sherman who played with Donato at Harvard. I think most of those choices (Sensyshyn included) have been about readiness and player development. Legit, earn your spot situations.

My fear is that they favor legacies (Donato, DeBrusk) but I want to believe it just looks that way, and the truth is that they favor the kids they think have the biggest upside. So guys like DeBrusk and Bjork were given spots ahead of Heinen and Cehlarik because they think they'll be better NHL'ers, even though DeBrusk was outplayed in camp by both of those guys last year and Donato was outplayed by Cehlarik this year).

Their treatment of Cehlarik in particular, confounds me. He's big and smart and defensively responsible. He's had two good camps and was the best rookie in camp, by far. He's scoring at a good clip and has 6 points in his last 6 games, yet he can't get a sniff of NHL time on a team ravaged with injuries.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I agree with you that the B's brass shows favoritism, but I'm not sure it's a college thing. Carlo came from juniors, he skipped the line. Gryz went to college but spent time in the AHL. Lauzon and Vaak are not college players but they saw time ahead of Sherman who played with Donato at Harvard. I think most of those choices (Sensyshyn included) have been about readiness and player development. Legit, earn your spot situations.

My fear is that they favor legacies (Donato, DeBrusk) but I want to believe it just looks that way, and the truth is that they favor the kids they think have the biggest upside. So guys like DeBrusk and Bjork were given spots ahead of Heinen and Cehlarik because they think they'll be better NHL'ers, even though DeBrusk was outplayed in camp by both of those guys last year and Donato was outplayed by Cehlarik this year).

Their treatment of Cehlarik in particular, confounds me. He's big and smart and defensively responsible. He's had two good camps and was the best rookie in camp, by far. He's scoring at a good clip and has 6 points in his last 6 games, yet he can't get a sniff of NHL time on a team ravaged with injuries.

I would agree with you but look at Senyshyn, he might have the highest upside of all prospect wingers, yet he has the longest road to the NHL. One things for sure, it makes no sense. These past two training camps didn’t matter because Cassidy’s mind was made up from the beginning and performance didn’t matter.

As for call ups, Sweeney probably thought JFK was the most NHL ready center so I get that. I really think he needs to see what he has in Senyshyn soon.

So I think I understand Sweeney’s moves more than Cassidy. It’s probably Cassidy saying he doesn’t want Cehlarik on the team because of his “pace” or whatever.

 

[Glove Malfunction]

People here are saying JFK has looked better the last x amount of games, but has he really? Is it truly him looking more confident and playing better or is it really him just not playing as poorly as he was earlier this year? I still have yet to see a level of play from him where I say this guy belongs in the NHL. He still looks like a tweener to me, a good AHL player, but a marginal NHL player.

Isn't the definition of "playing better"..not playing as poorly as before?

 

[Glove Malfunction]

If he can be upgraded, they shouldn’t hesitate. I don’t understand why JFK is called up after not doing much offensively in Providence over someone like Senyshyn who is actually scoring goals. There’s a college-privilege going on. Cehlarik is another example of this, has a great preseason but Donato is handed the spot because he’s one of the college kids.

Do you really believe this? Seems a pretty dumb paradigm for a professional sports team.

 

[compan]

Why does Senyshyn have more upside than any other of our winger prospects?

 

[Mainehockey33]

Do you really believe this? Seems a pretty dumb paradigm for a professional sports team.

It seems that way when certain guys are handed a spot out of college while other promising players are stuck in Providence. How else do you explain Bjork getting a spot on the top line in his first season pro, or Donato making the team after a subpar camp over Cehlarik, then given plenty of rope before getting sent down for only a few weeks.

Then you have JFK, who has played ok lately. He got to step right into the NHL after college even though it wasn’t the best route development wise. It would have been better to play him in the AHL so he was eligible for the Calder Cup playoffs.

Maybe it’s not a college bias, but there’s certainly a bias towards these three college prospects when other good prospects have to play their way out of the bottom 6 in Providence.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Why does Senyshyn have more upside than any other of our winger prospects?

I said maybe. Senyshyn has the tools to be a top 6 goal scoring winger with speed and size that goes to the net. Plus skater, plus shot. I don’t think any of the other prospects scored at the rate Senyshyn did in juniors.

 

[PB37]

Why does Senyshyn have more upside than any other of our winger prospects?

Big, fast, has shown he can score.

 

[TCB]

People here are saying JFK has looked better the last x amount of games, but has he really? Is it truly him looking more confident and playing better or is it really him just not playing as poorly as he was earlier this year? I still have yet to see a level of play from him where I say this guy belongs in the NHL. He still looks like a tweener to me, a good AHL player, but a marginal NHL player.

I'm not Nostradamus or psychic or a clairvoyant, but I surely can see that an NHL scouting job is not in your future.

 

[LSCII]

I'm not Nostradamus or psychic or a clairvoyant, but I surely can see that an NHL scouting job is not in your future.

Did I ever suggest I was looking for that kind of career? All I can give is my opinion, and my opinion of JFK right now is that he's not good enough to be on an NHL roster. You disagree, why not say why you feel he's good enough? You know, rather than not adding anything to the discussion but nonsense and bullshit?

 

[GoBs]

It makes sense for a bluechip prospect like Mcavoy, but not for guys like Bjork, JFK and Donato.

Krug and Grzelcyk played in the AHL for awhile before coming up. I don’t understand why the forwards skipped the line and didn’t need that extra development time, because they clearly do.

Couldn’t agree more Danato should have stayed in the AHL

 

[TCB]

Did I ever suggest I was looking for that kind of career? All I can give is my opinion, and my opinion of JFK right now is that he's not good enough to be on an NHL roster. You disagree, why not say why you feel he's good enough? You know, rather than not adding anything to the discussion but nonsense and bull****?

I did add.

You gave yours and I gave mine. Man up and quit your

 

[Sheppy]

Couldn’t agree more Danato should have stayed in the AHL

Agreed.

 

[neelynugs]

Big, fast, has shown he can score.

that'll do it

 

[LSCII]

I did add.

You gave yours and I gave mine. Man up and quit your

Quit my crying? Just because I don't think JFK is ready to be a regular in the NHL? Solid offering there by you.

How about this? JFK is not ready for the NHL because the play is too fast for him and I see him lag behind most plays in terms of how fast his brain is processing things happening in front of him. While he still is young and learning and can certainly improve, this is what I see from him most nights. You disagree, so go ahead and tell me why I'm wrong other than just more nonsense and emojis...

 

[LSCII]

that'll do it

I honestly don't get why he didn't at least get a cup of coffee during this stretch, given they are starved for goals offensively. Makes no sense to me.