Player Discussion Jake Virtanen (MOD WARNING POST 755)

[Mr. Canucklehead]

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[Mr. Canucklehead]

Some speculation on cap hit. If we can get him around the low end of this for 2 years while avoiding arbitration, that would be terrific.

 

[Melvin]

No brainer.

 

[elitepete]

I'm hoping it's a 1 year deal for as low of a cap hit as possible.

 

[StreetHawk]

I'm hoping it's a 1 year deal for as low of a cap hit as possible.

Realistically you should go 2 years since he is ufa in 3. No point in coming back here again IMO.

 

[RebuildinVan]

The guy should be signing for big bucks by now instead of a 1-2 year show us what you got contract

 

[rypper]

What about Tony from Richmond?

 

[StreetHawk]

The guy should be signing for big bucks by now instead of a 1-2 year show us what you got contract

He just came off his bridge. That typically is put up to shut up time. And still here we are with the team cringing cause his arbitration award is likely what Fabbri and McCann got at $2.95 mill per

just goes to show where Jake is.

 

[Fatass]

I'm hoping it's a 1 year deal for as low of a cap hit as possible.

I’m hoping it’s a three year deal for 2-2.5 per, and then we trade his ass.

 

[iFan]

I’m hoping it’s a three year deal for 2-2.5 per, and then we trade his ass.

with Toffoli walking, I don’t think the Canucks can afford to lose Virtanen now, despite our local and really horrible hockey media hating on him we really need what he brings. It would be foolish to move Virtanen if we lost Toffoli. Vancouver has the worst hockey media guys in the world, it’s pretty embarrassing especially given how huge hockey is in Van, not sure why people listen to them or follow them.

 

[4Twenty]

He just came off his bridge. That typically is put up to shut up time. And still here we are with the team cringing cause his arbitration award is likely what Fabbri and McCann got at $2.95 mill per

just goes to show where Jake is.

Arbitration uses last seasons RFA comparables not this most recent season as far as I recall.

Jake’s agent is leaving money on the table if you can get two years even at 3.1m. That’s good value in a young still improving player even with a lot of faults.

His agent could point to Konecny’s 24/25/49 in 82 which jakes 18/18/36 in 69 compares favourably to. Konecny got 6 years @ $5.5m

 

[Bam19]

Since it looks like Virtanen will be our 2nd best right wing I think we should go all in see what we have.

miller - EP - Virt
Pearson - Bo - Boeser

 

[JoeMc]

I still haven't lost faith in Jake. If we didn't have him, we'd be looking for someone just like him.

 

[elitepete]

I’m hoping it’s a three year deal for 2-2.5 per, and then we trade his ass.

that works too

 

[Jrtu]

Since it looks like Virtanen will be our 2nd best right wing I think we should go all in see what we have.

miller - EP - Virt
Pearson - Bo - Boeser

Agreed. Only because it’s not like we have any other options. Thanks Benning.

 

[VancouverJagger]

Yeah I'm starting to think we are gonna keep him - which I certainly wouldn't have thought after the season ended.

I think Benning assumed he was going to be able to dump salary and resign Tofu............he didn't realize a dozen other GM's had a similar agenda and that wasn't going to be quite soo easy.

I don't mind Tofu going and us keeping him - there are definitely worse possible outcomes out there.

 

[F A N]

The guy should be signing for big bucks by now instead of a 1-2 year show us what you got contract

That only applies if both sides agree to what type of player Jake is and will be.

 

[I am toxic]

What about Tony from Richmond?

It's Tory, you moran!

 

[elitepete]

This guy should be gone. 2nd and a prospect should do it.

 

[Nucker101]

This guy should be gone. 2nd and a prospect should do it.

I'd do it for a 2nd straight up easily if they can get Mysak or Gunler.

 

[CanucksMJL]

I still haven't lost faith in Jake. If we didn't have him, we'd be looking for someone just like him.

People like the nebulous idea of Jake Virtanen. The actual person does not resemble what we'd all like him to be. His speed is more myth than reality. His hits are not punishing, they meet the bare minimum standard to even be recorded as hits. Has anyone ever seen him flying in first on the forecheck making the defence pay? Ever? That should be his bread and butter. The only way I see him getting there is with a change of scenery or a similar type of "oh shit I could lose my dream" type of scenario.

 

[Cupless44]

People like the nebulous idea of Jake Virtanen. The actual person does not resemble what we'd all like him to be. His speed is more myth than reality. His hits are not punishing, they meet the bare minimum standard to even be recorded as hits. Has anyone ever seen him flying in first on the forecheck making the defence pay? Ever? That should be his bread and butter. The only way I see him getting there is with a change of scenery or a similar type of "oh shit I could lose my dream" type of scenario.

How is his speed "myth" ? He is the fastest skater in the team

 

[tantalum]

How is his speed "myth" ? He is the fastest skater in the team

Likely because he doesn't tend to do much with that speed. Every once in awhile he does but it isn't a consistent threat. It's one thing to be fast it's another thing to know how to use that speed..change of pace, cutting to the net, truly pressuring on the forecheck etc. (you can add in another variable of quick acceleration...really helps with change of pace).

So I'm guessing the myth the poster means is that while he is indeed fast it doesn't really translate to his game to a huge degree because of his other deficiencies.

 

[Fatass]

How is his speed "myth" ? He is the fastest skater in the team

Jake skates super fast, but he processes the game super slow.

 

[Rumsfeld]

He's fast in a straight line without the puck.