Player Discussion Jake Virtanen, Pt. XXII: 'Tis no man — 'tis a relentless redemption machine

[mathonwy]

What’s better for our team?
Jake at 3 million, or Tofu at 5 million?

Loui Eriksson at 0 million..

Or Brock at 100% health.

Or Jake with an attitude adjustment.

 

[F A N]

McCann being a center vs. Virtanen being a winger will play a factor here (IMO).

I think Virtanen's RFA deal will be worth somewhere between $2.5 and $2.75m for 1 or 2 years.

Yep. And production wise, McCann also had a better season in 18-19.

 

[M2Beezy]

What’s better for our team?
Jake at 3 million, or Tofu at 5 million?

Mccann just did 2 yerars for under 3. Maybe Jake at $2.5 for 3 years?

 

[VanJack]

Rumor du jour has the Canucks talking trade with Boston for Virtanen. Maybe the B's are hoping to catch lightning a bottle twice with a second Cam Neely trade?

I have a feeling the Canucks will end up with Brandon Carlo. I remember some posters were afraid Benning was going to draft him in 2015. Lucky they grabbed Boeser instead.

 

[BB06]

 

[Love]

Sekeres said yesterday he would trade Virtanen for a 4th round pick. Yes these morons actually get paid to say this stuff.

And yes I turned off the radio after he said it.

 

[VanJack]

Sekeres said yesterday he would trade Virtanen for a 4th round pick. Yes these morons actually get paid to say this stuff.

And yes I turned off the radio after he said it.

Yes there are also morons on other sites who're speculating the Canucks simply walk away from Virtanen and fail to qualify him as an RFA.

I swear if the Canucks lose Virtanen for nothing, Benning would deserve to walk the plank. I mean he's on a cost-controlled contract when he eventually signs and he's coming off an 18 goal season. If he can't get decent value for him in a trade, then it's time for a new gig for the GM.

 

[Fatass]

Rumor du jour has the Canucks talking trade with Boston for Virtanen. Maybe the B's are hoping to catch lightning a bottle twice with a second Cam Neely trade?

I have a feeling the Canucks will end up with Brandon Carlo. I remember some posters were afraid Benning was going to draft him in 2015. Lucky they grabbed Boeser instead.

Jake for Carlo works for me. But if Benning can use Jake as sweetener to dump Loui, that works better. Rather clear 9 million in cap (Jake’s likely 3 plus Loui’s 6) than have Carlo.

 

[Diversification]

Jake for Carlo works for me. But if Benning can use Jake as sweetener to dump Loui, that works better. Rather clear 9 million in cap (Jake’s likely 3 plus Loui’s 6) than have Carlo.

JV for Carlo could work, but it really depends on the likely term for Carlo's next contract.

 

[F A N]

JV for Carlo could work, but it really depends on the likely term for Carlo's next contract.

I am on board with this trade. I don't think it depends on Carlo's next contract at all. The main concern is whether we are getting a top 4 shutdown Dman back. If we are, he'll be an asset who is 2 years away from being an UFA after his current contract ends. If we aren't, then we're looking at a qualifying offer of $3.5M a year later. The Bruins (at least Bruins fans) appear to have been very high on Carlo prior to the play-in.

So I actually like to see a Virtanen for Carlo trade as it potentially addresses the issues we have on the right side with Tanev likely leaving.

 

[DonnyNucker]

JV for Carlo could work, but it really depends on the likely term for Carlo's next contract.

You are wayyyy off on this. No chance JV fetches Carlo. His value is a 2nd round pick at best.

 

[Fatass]

You are wayyyy off on this. No chance JV fetches Carlo. His value is a 2nd round pick at best.

Agreed. After the Staal dumperoo it looks like a second round pick is the cost to dump one year of a guy about 4-5 million. Maybe Jake as sweetener to dump Sutter is fair value for Jake?

 

[sting101]

Sekeres said yesterday he would trade Virtanen for a 4th round pick. Yes these morons actually get paid to say this stuff.

And yes I turned off the radio after he said it.

Sekeras is cringe

 

[Bleach Clean]

Sekeres said yesterday he would trade Virtanen for a 4th round pick. Yes these morons actually get paid to say this stuff.

And yes I turned off the radio after he said it.

Can you link this radio hit please? Which hour was it?

 

[M2Beezy]

Keep a cost controlled young third liner like Jake

 

[Fatass]

Keep a cost controlled young third liner like Jake

If Jake would take a deal that keeps him cost controlled 2.5 mil/yr. then yes he’s worth keeping. He’s going to get at least a million more than that on arbitration. Would we rather Jake at 3.5 million, or Tofu at 5 million? For 1.5 million more on the cap is there any doubt?

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Every single one of Vancouver’s centres has scored more goals as a line playing without Virtanen then they have with him over the last two seasons.

Even if you were to remove last season from the equation and only focus on this year’s breakout campaign, the same fact remains true.

Harman Dayal

Re-sign or trade? Analyzing what the Canucks should do with Jake Virtanen

It would seem that, despite Jake having a "breakout season", his impact on the ice was still the same old same old. This was a belief I've held all year, but Harman puts it very nicely in numbers.

 

[Love]

Can you link this radio hit please? Which hour was it?

It was very early on in the show. In the first 30 mins I’d day. Soon after the “Welcome Matt.”

He quote was essentially: “I’d do cartwheels down Robson if I could could a 2nd for JV. I’d also trade him for a 3rd. And you know what, I’d probably even trade him for a 4th.”

 

[F A N]

It was very early on in the show. In the first 30 mins I’d day. Soon after the “Welcome Matt.”

He quote was essentially: “I’d do cartwheels down Robson if I could could a 2nd for JV. I’d also trade him for a 3rd. And you know what, I’d probably even trade him for a 4th.”

Cue the talk of media helping Benning set up the environment where trading JV for a late 2nd is a massive win.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Keep a cost controlled young third liner like Jake

With arbitration looming, I don't know how cost-controlled Virtanen is.

3rd round pick is where I'd have his value. Maybe a late 2nd.

 

[bandwagonesque]

Cue the talk of media helping Benning set up the environment where trading JV for a late 2nd is a massive win.

The Canucks clearly leaked the offer of a 4th.

The truth is that the team would never pursue a 4th round pick. John Weisbrod has never been photographed standing next to any player drafted in the 4th round.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Is the argument here that Matt Sekeres is lowering trade expectations to help management out?

Highly doubt it.

 

[BB06]

Vancouver media has a weird hate boner for Virtanen. They’re acting like he’s Brandon Prust.

 

[Fatass]

Vancouver media has a weird hate boner for Virtanen. They’re acting like he’s Brandon Prust.

Jake seems like such a fun loving young guy. Can’t help but like him, or at least what we get to know of him. It’s too bad his lack of professionalism (off ice commitment to fitness, diet, and training to be his best) gets in the way of him being the best player he can be. I think it’s the frustration some media and fans feel about the difference between Jake’s natural gifts and his performance that are the issue. As a person, Jake comes across as A-1.

 

[RebuildinVan]

When was the last offer sheet? Maybe some GM sees the size,speed and shot and takes a swing? Compensation for his expected contract would be a 2nd

Im reaching here.....