Value of: Jake McCabe

[Djp]

Everybody knows who'll be drafted first overall next June...

By next season, Buffalo will have too many LHD with Dahlin, Scandella, Guhle, Beaulieu and McCabe.

McCabe has 1 year remaining on his current contract, but will still be a RFA.

What would the Sabres be seeking in return?

Buffalo buy out beaulieu
Dahlin starts in AHL with callud after mid season
Guhle stays in Rochester then called up later


Buffalo starts with Scandelka
McCabe and one of their other Dman on left side.

Dahlin could end up on right side.

I see McCabe could be part of a larger deal where buffalo sells his $1.6M cap hit plus another year of team control and they get back a vet Dman who has a higher cap hit like $4M or more who would plague with Dahlin over the next 2 years.

 

[is the answer jesus]

Buffalo buy out beaulieu
Dahlin starts in AHL with callud after mid season
Guhle stays in Rochester then called up later


Buffalo starts with Scandelka
McCabe and one of their other Dman on left side.

Dahlin could end up on right side.

I see McCabe could be part of a larger deal where buffalo sells his $1.6M cap hit plus another year of team control and they get back a vet Dman who has a higher cap hit like $4M or more who would plague with Dahlin over the next 2 years.

When is the last time a 1st overall pick didn't immediately land on the NHL team at the beginning of the season?

 

[Matt Ress]

Yeah you may as well leave him in Sweden and Fedex a copy of the Sabres Employee Handbook to read up on... He would need a solid year and a half of uselessness to start the thought process of moving him anywhere.

 

[N.Y. Orangeman]

Maybe we should just pass on Dahlin given this incredible depth.

 

[Djp]

When is the last time a 1st overall pick didn't immediately land on the NHL team at the beginning of the season?

reasons:

1. Dahlin has little experience in NA style of hockey so he needs to adjust to the game
2. by preventing him from accruing an NHL season but burning the ELC it protects him from offer sheets after the ELC ends (see Ristolainen)
3. If he doesn't accurre an NHL season but burns his ELC year--like Mittlestadt has some advantages. If Mittlestadt didn't accrue an NHL year thuse being exempt for a 2020 expansion draft for Seattle, then if by chance the expansion is delayed a year to 2021 then this would then keep Dahlin exempt from the expansion draft if it was in 2021 instead.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Dahlin is not starting in the ahl.... it’s an unreasonable take!

 

[HiddenInLight]

McCabe will flip to the right side when Bogo gets hurt two days into training camp.

 

[sfoote]

I’d trade McCabe as a throw him but would rather keep him than trading him 1 for 1 or for a pick.

Your answer literally make no sense. You'd rather throw him in a trade rather than trying to get equal value for him ?

 

[Djp]

Your answer literally make no sense. You'd rather throw him in a trade rather than trying to get equal value for him ?

he meant as part of a trade you throw into a multiplayer deal rather than for draft picks.

 

[is the answer jesus]

reasons:

1. Dahlin has little experience in NA style of hockey so he needs to adjust to the game
2. by preventing him from accruing an NHL season but burning the ELC it protects him from offer sheets after the ELC ends (see Ristolainen)
3. If he doesn't accurre an NHL season but burns his ELC year--like Mittlestadt has some advantages. If Mittlestadt didn't accrue an NHL year thuse being exempt for a 2020 expansion draft for Seattle, then if by chance the expansion is delayed a year to 2021 then this would then keep Dahlin exempt from the expansion draft if it was in 2021 instead.

Elite talent doesn't need the adjustment period that other prospects need. He's been playing in a men's league, he'll be fine. Offer sheets happen so rarely it's a waste of time worrying about them. Your looking too far out worrying about expansion, smart teams find ways to keep their best players, the Sabres aren't a team with an abundance of talent anyways, they'll likely lose another fairly inconsequential player, just like they did with Vegas. You don't f*** around with a 1st overall franchise player over things as unimportant as the things you laid out. You play him and let him immediately help this team's shitty blueline out.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

I personally want all of Bogo/Beaulieu/McCabe gone. But would echo others saying McCabe has 'some' value & a straight up trade for a 3rd doesn't really make sense.

 

[Chainshot]

Elite talent doesn't need the adjustment period that other prospects need. He's been playing in a men's league, he'll be fine. Offer sheets happen so rarely it's a waste of time worrying about them. Your looking too far out worrying about expansion, smart teams find ways to keep their best players, the Sabres aren't a team with an abundance of talent anyways, they'll likely lose another fairly inconsequential player, just like they did with Vegas. You don't **** around with a 1st overall franchise player over things as unimportant as the things you laid out. You play him and let him immediately help this team's ****ty blueline out.

 

[HaNotsri]

Your answer literally make no sense. You'd rather throw him in a trade rather than trying to get equal value for him ?

Equal value means nothing to us - who cares about a third round pick? If we can add him in a trade for a player we actually need that makes more sense.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

Elite talent doesn't need the adjustment period that other prospects need. He's been playing in a men's league, he'll be fine. Offer sheets happen so rarely it's a waste of time worrying about them. Your looking too far out worrying about expansion, smart teams find ways to keep their best players, the Sabres aren't a team with an abundance of talent anyways, they'll likely lose another fairly inconsequential player, just like they did with Vegas. You don't **** around with a 1st overall franchise player over things as unimportant as the things you laid out. You play him and let him immediately help this team's ****ty blueline out.

Totally agree with this & to go a step further - i 'overpay' to make sure that he is partnered with the right guy early in his career.

If that 'overpayment' happens to be throwing in a McCabe to get a deal done then so be it

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

What do sabres fans think about a deal around McCabe and Maatta? How much would you be comfortable adding? Just curious.

 

[lifeisruff]

ARI passes on this like a 3 AM 7-11 bean burrito.

The funny part about this trade is the addition of Hjalmarsson does absolutely nothing from Buffalo's POV other then drive up the cost. Take Hjalmarsson, out and Buffalo still does this trade.

 

[Riptide]

reasons:

1. Dahlin has little experience in NA style of hockey so he needs to adjust to the game
2. by preventing him from accruing an NHL season but burning the ELC it protects him from offer sheets after the ELC ends (see Ristolainen)
3. If he doesn't accurre an NHL season but burns his ELC year--like Mittlestadt has some advantages. If Mittlestadt didn't accrue an NHL year thuse being exempt for a 2020 expansion draft for Seattle, then if by chance the expansion is delayed a year to 2021 then this would then keep Dahlin exempt from the expansion draft if it was in 2021 instead.

Also, if Buffalo is a hot mess next season, delaying him a year will allow him to continue to play against men and learn the NA style, but also keeping him out of the mess on the NHL team.

That said, it's probably unlikely that he will be anywhere other than the NHL next season.

 

[Djp]

Elite talent doesn't need the adjustment period that other prospects need. He's been playing in a men's league, he'll be fine. Offer sheets happen so rarely it's a waste of time worrying about them. Your looking too far out worrying about expansion, smart teams find ways to keep their best players, the Sabres aren't a team with an abundance of talent anyways, they'll likely lose another fairly inconsequential player, just like they did with Vegas. You don't **** around with a 1st overall franchise player over things as unimportant as the things you laid out. You play him and let him immediately help this team's ****ty blueline out.

Data does not support your theory....

Name one European Dman who played in Europe and came over to the nhl at 18 and play a full nhl season??

Lindholm, Brodie, OEL didn’t. Pietrangelo pksyed in OHL pre draft. Karlsson didn’t either. Defense is harder than forward to adjust to the NA game.

I think he would be THE FIRST.

 

[dkollidas]

Data does not support your theory....

Name one European Dman who played in Europe and came over to the nhl at 18 and play a full nhl season??

Lindholm, Brodie, OEL didn’t. Pietrangelo pksyed in OHL pre draft. Karlsson didn’t either. Defense is harder than forward to adjust to the NA game.

I think he would be THE FIRST.

Umm... Victor Herman

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I like Jake the McCabe. I would like him on the Flames.

 

[dkollidas]

I like Jake the McCabe. I would like him on the Flames.

We could use a left winger. Or a right shot defenseman. Andersson available at all? We would love to attain all the Rasmii

 

[is the answer jesus]

Data does not support your theory....

Name one European Dman who played in Europe and came over to the nhl at 18 and play a full nhl season??

Lindholm, Brodie, OEL didn’t. Pietrangelo pksyed in OHL pre draft. Karlsson didn’t either. Defense is harder than forward to adjust to the NA game.

I think he would be THE FIRST.

As good as those guys were as prospects they weren't Dahlin. Hedman, Ekblad, Jones all came in as 18 year olds and played very well and Dahlin is a cut above them all. Honestly debating this with you is just a waste of time. Dahlin isn't starting in the AHL. He's coming right to the NHL.