Jake Gardiner

[Phion Keneuf]

has been pretty awesome, definitely a key piece moving forward....

points will come, either this later this season or next, but he has developed into a reliable defensive player as well.

his ability to pinch and hustle back to prevent opposing chances is phenomenal due to his skating

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Kind of like your logic that the healthy scratch Rielly makes Gardiner expendable

Discussing hockey with you at times is like banging your head on the wall. Your not open to discuss things that don't meat your train of the thought that counters YOUR OPINIONS.

Here's one Gardiner > Rielly this season and it's not even close but I'm sure your going to counter with......?

Rielly has been better, his vision and ice q are above Gardiner's. You don't have to listen to me, but analysts have said this on TSN radio.

I have already complimented Jake on less turnovers this season, but isn't it his offensive promise that makes him an intriguing player? 4 points in 20 games, you are telling me this is his ceiling and you are ok with it?

Rielly is 19, you are trying to compare apples to oranges.

Do you agree Gardiner was spectacular in the words of the poster above, the second half of last season? Did you see him with the Marlies, I did. He was a turnover machine, and when he got called up he was making the same mistakes. The only glimmer of hope was the the 6 games he played in the playoffs. But that does not amount to half the season as the poster alluded to does it?

 

[Sergei Berezin]

Good point ULF.

Surprised no one else mentioned that the Sharks moved a top-tier defenceman in Burns to forward without any qualms.

I wouldn't be opposed to dressing 7 defenceman every night with Gardiner getting some minutes on forward to see how he does.

 

[Backhandshelf81]

Gards has really started to come on now that he's back with Franson. He's starting to look a lot more like the dynamic player we saw in the Boston series.

Also, major lol at the idea of a 23 year old defenseman not being considered young

 

[InterceptSchenn]

Unless we are trading Bozak with him in some kind of package for an elite centre, Gards stays put. Not many D can wheel out of trouble like he does. Offense should come soon.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Gards has really started to come on now that he's back with Franson. He's starting to look a lot more like the dynamic player we saw in the Boston series.

Also, major lol at the idea of a 23 year old defenseman not being considered young

When you are in this age group, most already know what kind of player you are going to be. There are a minority of exceptions, but first rd picks, not many.

23 year olds that have been established for seasons now.
Doughty, Pietrangelo, Schenn, Myers, Karlsson, Del Zotto, Carlson, Voynov, Demers.

 

[Duffman955]

When you are in this age group, most already know what kind of player you are going to be. There are a minority of exceptions, but first rd picks, not many.

23 year olds that have been established for seasons now.
Doughty, Pietrangelo, Schenn, Myers, Karlsson, Del Zotto, Carlson, Voynov, Demers.

Some of those guys aren't better than Gardiner, and its not much to start off with.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Some of those guys aren't better than Gardiner, and its not much to start off with.

Which ones are not, hope you don't say Voynov. Because if you do, you are not right.

 

[Diatomic]

He's struggling offensively this year (could be a good thing) but his defensive side of the game has vastly improved. He can log 22+ mins a game and he's a definite top 4 Defenseman.

Dave Nonis has to be smart this year and not give Gardiner a bridge deal. Give this kid something like 6 years at 3.2mil, it will look like a steal in a few years.

 

[Durrr]

When you are in this age group, most already know what kind of player you are going to be. There are a minority of exceptions, but first rd picks, not many.

23 year olds that have been established for seasons now.
Doughty, Pietrangelo, Schenn, Myers, Karlsson, Del Zotto, Carlson, Voynov, Demers.

You're way off if you think 23 is even close to an age where you can determine what hes capable of. There is a reason that our D are bottom in the league in scoring compared to other years when they were near the top.

 

[Delicious Dangles*]

According to you our 2nd most spectacular defenceman in the second part of last season was a healthy scratch, and was playing with the Marlies for much of the time before being called up. lol I love the logic. Sorry, if you are going to discuss hockey with me, you need to bring more than that.

I think you'll find that NOWHERE did I say that Gardiner was our 2nd best defenceman last year. I said he was our best defenceman in the playoffs last year, and that he has been the 2nd best defenceman on this team since around the halfway mark of what constitutes this current season so far.

Perhaps read next time. It helps.

 

[LeafOfBread]

I don't know what the point is of arguing with Interactif. Once he makes up his mind it doesn't change no matter what. Like I said, when a player enters his doghouse, they never escape.

 

[Delicious Dangles*]

When you are in this age group, most already know what kind of player you are going to be. There are a minority of exceptions, but first rd picks, not many.

23 year olds that have been established for seasons now.
Doughty, Pietrangelo, Schenn, Myers, Karlsson, Del Zotto, Carlson, Voynov, Demers.

Doughty and Pietrangelo are top-4 overall draft picks, which will usually develop or adjust faster than others. They are really the only ones who you could argue have finished developing.

Karlsson has been horrendous defensively, even Sens fans have admitted. Del Zotto was just scratched and has been terrible all around this year. And is a bottom-pairing defenseman. Myers and Schenn have struggled heavily since their rookie season.

Gardiner is just as established as Voynov, and which is better is debatable. Both have been inconsistent and have room to grow.

Gardiner > Carlson, Demers, and are not really any more established.

 

[snizzbone*]

Gardiner was a forward actually through his minor hockey days, and was switched to defense in College. So he hasn't been playing the position all that long.

Pretty sure he switched to D when he was 15-16.. not in college.

 

[thewave]

You're way off if you think 23 is even close to an age where you can determine what hes capable of. There is a reason that our D are bottom in the league in scoring compared to other years when they were near the top.

Honestly you should know by 22 at the latest and the odd ones (bargain basket ex first rounders) the late bloomers maybe a bit later on like 25.

We just got a Jake Gardiner type of player right now in Holland. Jake is surely better but they are the same age roughly. The just let it go, they can't see him becoming anything better than what they have. They looked at Blacker and said we could use a spare one if those, then previously they just signed Steckel on for another year as depth.

Teams move on from players sometimes in haste and sometimes for coaching styles. Jakes time is running out here, this is pretty much his tryout year, the last one if he doesn't get it don't be surprised he is moved for someone bigger steadier and physical.

Skating ability and his offensive capabilities are his allure. If he loses one of those he is just a good D.

 

[LeafOfBread]

Which ones are not, hope you don't say Voynov. Because if you do, you are not right.

I would take Gardiner over Schenn, Myers, MDZ, Carlson and Demers easily.

Doughty and Pietra were top 5 picks and are not the norm.

Karlsson is a rare case too, and he's awful defensively. Great offensive dman though.

Voynov had a good rookie season and a great sophomore year but has struggled mightily this year, Kings fans have not been happy with him.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I think you'll find that NOWHERE did I say that Gardiner was our 2nd best defenceman last year. I said he was our best defenceman in the playoffs last year, and that he has been the 2nd best defenceman on this team since around the halfway mark of what constitutes this current season so far.

Perhaps read next time. It helps.

Why did you join, when you say in a post earlier today, Gardiner was spectacular over the 2nd half of this season, in every area of the game. and now backtrack now.

No one from our Defence was spectacular last year, including by far our best defenceman Dion Phaneuf.

You will deny it, but saying varying opinions from this morning and now later in the day, is almost like a HIGHSTICK over one's head when one is trying to discuss hockey here.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Honestly you should know by 22 at the latest and the odd ones (bargain basket ex first rounders) the late bloomers maybe a bit later on like 25.

We just got a Jake Gardiner type of player right now in Holland. Jake is surely better but they are the same age roughly. The just let it go, they can't see him becoming anything better than what they have. They looked at Blacker and said we could use a spare one if those, then previously they just signed Steckel on for another year as depth.

Teams move on from players sometimes in haste and sometimes for coaching styles. Jakes time is running out here, this is pretty much his tryout year, the last one if he doesn't get it don't be surprised he is moved for someone bigger steadier and physical.

Skating ability and his offensive capabilities are his allure. If he loses one of those he is just a good D.

We agree here.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I would take Gardiner over Schenn, Myers, MDZ, Carlson and Demers easily.

Doughty and Pietra were top 5 picks and are not the norm.

Karlsson is a rare case too, and he's awful defensively. Great offensive dman though.

Voynov had a good rookie season and a great sophomore year but has struggled mightily this year, Kings fans have not been happy with him.

Gardiner has not done half the things that Karlson, Pietranagelo, Doughty, Myers, MDZ, or Carlson have done. It's simply the truth. Voynov was a key part of a cup winning team for those that recall the Stanley cup playoffs. He had a good offensive season last year even bettering Doughty's numbers. Demers is a very underrated D man that the Leafs could use. He would easily be in the top 3 or 4 on the Leafs D.

Now the question is would I take Schenn over Gardiner? On our D yes, since we have Rielly. The need for a shutdown D is more attractive for the Leafs. Ask yourself would Holmgren have dealt JVR for Gardiner 2 summers ago? Not likely is answer enough.

 

[false bobo]

Gardiner has not done half the things that Karlson, Pietranagelo, Doughty, Myers, MDZ, or Carlson have done. It's simply the truth. Voynov was a key part of a cup winning team for those that recall the Stanley cup playoffs. He had a good offensive season last year even bettering Doughty's numbers. Demers is a very underrated D man that the Leafs could use. He would easily be in the top 3 or 4 on the Leafs D.

Now the question is would I take Schenn over Gardiner? On our D yes, since we have Rielly. The need for a shutdown D is more attractive for the Leafs. Ask yourself would Holmgren have dealt JVR for Gardiner 2 summers ago? Not likely is answer enough.

Change his name to Luke Smith and Homer never makes that deal.

 

[mikebel111*]

Gardiner has not done half the things that Karlson, Pietranagelo, Doughty, Myers, MDZ, or Carlson have done. It's simply the truth. Voynov was a key part of a cup winning team for those that recall the Stanley cup playoffs. He had a good offensive season last year even bettering Doughty's numbers. Demers is a very underrated D man that the Leafs could use. He would easily be in the top 3 or 4 on the Leafs D.

Now the question is would I take Schenn over Gardiner? On our D yes, since we have Rielly. The need for a shutdown D is more attractive for the Leafs. Ask yourself would Holmgren have dealt JVR for Gardiner 2 summers ago? Not likely is answer enough.

not a chance. gardiner is much much better than schenn

now let me ask you
do you take lebda over gardiner?

u probably would.

you seem to rip gardiner just make rielly look good.

 

[Delicious Dangles*]

Why did you join, when you say in a post earlier today, Gardiner was spectacular over the 2nd half of this season, in every area of the game. and now backtrack now.

No one from our Defence was spectacular last year, including by far our best defenceman Dion Phaneuf.

You will deny it, but saying varying opinions from this morning and now later in the day, is almost like a HIGHSTICK over one's head when one is trying to discuss hockey here.

Yes, 2nd half of THIS season. NOT LAST season. Stop lying and putting words in my mouth, just because you are wrong.

Not once did I say that Gardiner was our 2nd best defenseman last year. THIS year, he has been our 2nd best defenceman, especially after he stepped it up after the 5-10ish game mark. I have never said anything different in this thread.

 

[rdawg1234]

Gardiner has actually been great this season, started off shakey but has definitely been one of our better defenders lately.

Even Ranger has improved as well, he's a solid defensive d-man.

Franson should be traded IMO, i've seen him enough, he's good offensively, but makes alot of piss poor defensive mistakes consistently, I think some people ignored that due to Ranger's poor start to the season.

Franson+Fraser are very much expendable, IMO Franson needs to be replaced with someone more defensively responsible, it will improve this team.

 

[Delicious Dangles*]

Jakes time is running out here, this is pretty much his tryout year, the last one if he doesn't get it don't be surprised he is moved for someone bigger steadier and physical.

There is literally nothing that suggests that Gardiner is on the block, or even in the doghouse. In fact, everything suggests the opposite.

If anything, Franson's time is running out.

 

[rdawg1234]

There is literally nothing that suggests that Gardiner is on the block, or even in the doghouse. In fact, everything suggests the opposite.

If anything, Franson's time is running out.

Would much prefer to trade Franson at this point.

Jake is starting to reach his potential while Franson seems to have topped off as a pp specialist/bottom pairing d-man IMO.

The good thing is an offensive d-man will probably fetch us a decent piece.

if we can combine Franson+reimer+pick for a #1 C i'd go for it at the draft.