Speculation: Jake Gardiner’s UFA contract

[Rants Mulliniks]

Stone is younger, a better two-way player and has been PPG the last two seasons.

Nary a GM in the league would swap Tavares for Stone. Well maybe a Chiarelli or Bergevin. Should have put a qualifier in there.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Also, it has literally nothing to do with Jake Gardiner lol

Yet you brought it up.

 

[sansabri]

Nary a GM in the league would swap Tavares for Stone. Well maybe a Chiarelli or Bergevin. Should have put a qualifier in there.

Moving the goalposts now.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Yet you brought it up.

No.... I really didnt

Saying I brought it up is like saying you brought it up lol

 

[mitchthemitch]

How is the Muzzin trade bad?

So many reasons.
We aren't winning the cup this year or next.
Grundstrom was our best forward prospect (and plays our weakest forward position) - future top 6 forward
Durzi was our third best D prospect - can develop into a top 4 RHD
First round pick will probably be around 20. In a very deep draft.
We now have only 15 mil to sign Marner, Kapanen, and Johnsson.
We already have 3 other LD at the same level as Muzzin.
Babcock continues to play Hainsey on the top pair and Zaitsev in the top 4.

What was the rush to get Muzzin? Matthews is 21, Marner 21, Nylander 22, Rielly 25, Dermott 22, Liligren 19, Sandin 19. This team has the potential to contend for many cups in the future. Dubas risked throwing away it all just to get another left handed defenseman who's looked pedestrian so far

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

So many reasons.
We aren't winning the cup this year or next.
Grundstrom was our best forward prospect (and plays our weakest forward position) - future top 6 forward
Durzi was our third best D prospect - can develop into a top 4 RHD
First round pick will probably be around 20. In a very deep draft.
We now have only 15 mil to sign Marner, Kapanen, and Johnsson.
We already have 3 other LD at the same level as Muzzin.
Babcock continues to play Hainsey on the top pair and Zaitsev in the top 4.

What was the rush to get Muzzin? Matthews is 21, Marner 21, Nylander 22, Rielly 25, Dermott 22, Liligren 19, Sandin 19. This team has the potential to contend for many cups in the future. Dubas risked throwing away it all just to get another left handed defenseman who's looked pedestrian so far

It was a good trade. Gives the team a chance to compete, we would have been screwed with Marincin as our 2nd pair LHD with Dermott and Gardiner Out.

He will play a big role against the Bruins.

Losing Grundstrom sucks, but Durzi won’t be anything special imo

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Moving the goalposts now.

What's to be moved? A guy beats someone's career best basically every year of their career and the reply is "but but but 2 years of ppg".

Surely we can do better, no?

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

No.... I really didnt

Saying I brought it up is like saying you brought it up lol

So I imagined you saying Stone's contract is fine based on Tavares?

 

[LMFAO]

How is the Muzzin trade bad?

I think the leafs should have went for Montour instead... or even Gudas. Nit that I don't like Muzzin but Grundstrom is the type of player you just don't trade because his skillset is so rare.

 

[Nervousbreakdown]

So many reasons.
We aren't winning the cup this year or next.
Grundstrom was our best forward prospect (and plays our weakest forward position) - future top 6 forward
Durzi was our third best D prospect - can develop into a top 4 RHD
First round pick will probably be around 20. In a very deep draft.
We now have only 15 mil to sign Marner, Kapanen, and Johnsson.
We already have 3 other LD at the same level as Muzzin.
Babcock continues to play Hainsey on the top pair and Zaitsev in the top 4.

What was the rush to get Muzzin? Matthews is 21, Marner 21, Nylander 22, Rielly 25, Dermott 22, Liligren 19, Sandin 19. This team has the potential to contend for many cups in the future. Dubas risked throwing away it all just to get another left handed defenseman who's looked pedestrian so far

Grundstrom was our best forward prospect because over the last few seasons we have graduated 7 guys from the AHL
Durzi is a good prospect but hes at least 2-3 years away from being an NHLer
Is this really a deep draft? I haven't heard anyone saying that.

The team should absolutely be trying to compete for the cup this season while they still have so many players on their ELCs

 

[madmike77]

A source for the Hamilton times is saying 6 for 24.5

That seems really low. I think he could get at least $5 million a year on a long-term deal.

 

[The CyNick]

He's going to get close to $7M. It's the position with the least amount of depth.

He may get hurt term wise by the injury, but 6.5-7 over 5 or 6 years is very plausible.

He's the most undervalued player on the Leafs. Well at least before the injury.

Too bad the young GM wasn't a better negotiator and didn't get fleeced by the big boys.

 

[grapes55]

So many reasons.
We aren't winning the cup this year or next.
Grundstrom was our best forward prospect (and plays our weakest forward position) - future top 6 forward
Durzi was our third best D prospect - can develop into a top 4 RHD
First round pick will probably be around 20. In a very deep draft.
We now have only 15 mil to sign Marner, Kapanen, and Johnsson.
We already have 3 other LD at the same level as Muzzin.
Babcock continues to play Hainsey on the top pair and Zaitsev in the top 4.

What was the rush to get Muzzin? Matthews is 21, Marner 21, Nylander 22, Rielly 25, Dermott 22, Liligren 19, Sandin 19. This team has the potential to contend for many cups in the future. Dubas risked throwing away it all just to get another left handed defenseman who's looked pedestrian so far

You're way overrating our prospects and the first. Durzi is looking pretty iffy and I seriously doubt Grundstrom becomes more than like a 3rd liner. Muzzin is easily on par with Gardiner (albiet different skillsets) and better than Dermott right now for sure. Oh and Dubas "risked throwing it all away"? Really? That's just asinine considering we got a physical top 4 defenceman (which we need!) for players who may not have ever made the Leafs.

I think the leafs should have went for Montour instead... or even Gudas. Nit that I don't like Muzzin but Grundstrom is the type of player you just don't trade because his skillset is so rare.

I feel like Montour wasn't available when we made the trade and I doubt Gudas would've been dealt after Fletcher just got to Philly. Again, I really don't think Grundstrom was anything special, he hasn't even been physical this year

 

[LMFAO]

You're way overrating our prospects and the first. Durzi is looking pretty iffy and I seriously doubt Grundstrom becomes more than like a 3rd liner. Muzzin is easily on par with Gardiner (albiet different skillsets) and better than Dermott right now for sure. Oh and Dubas "risked throwing it all away"? Really? That's just asinine considering we got a physical top 4 defenceman (which we need!) for players who may not have ever made the Leafs.



I feel like Montour wasn't available when we made the trade and I doubt Gudas would've been dealt after Fletcher just got to Philly. Again, I really don't think Grundstrom was anything special, he hasn't even been physical this year

2.7 hits/game which would translate to 221 hits in a full season...

 

[grapes55]

2.7 hits/game which would translate to 221 hits in a full season...

That's fair, I can concede that. I still don't think his skillset is so rare you don't trade him for easily a top 4 D-man

 

[TSN Jdog]

dont want gards. defensive liability and doesnt work hard. DO NOT SIGN THIS TURD!!!!!!