Value of: Jacob Trouba (Mod warning OP)

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bernmeister

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DET desperately wants a 2C.
Chytil fits nicely.

A big deal note this is not outlandish b'c can be broken up into several multiple smaller deals.

Haven't had chance to finalize but would be something like:

Chytil + Howden + Trouba + Strome + Hajek + Rykov + Andersen + Georgiev
for
Seider + NYR 2021 + DET 2020, 2021 and 2022 2nds + EDM 2020 + 2021 2nds + cap dump DeKeyser 5m x 2

Analysis:
Wings would have to be overwhelmed and this does it.
In one fell swoop, they get
2C-Chytil
3C-Howden
4C- Lias
Strome could be 3C but see as RW and possible later rental
Trouba to offset loss of Seider
but also add desperately needed LD in Rykov and Hajek
finally also Geo for net.

Rangers get a stud RD prospect who is exp ex elc
lots of picks
DeKeyser is likely LTIR but that's ok for NY and if he does return, he'd be a tough bottom pair LD for 2 short yrs.
NY buys out from under the 6 yrs at 8 per

Further comment:
we don't know exactly how good Seider will be. We can all agree he is not magic beans and is Hedman lite. How lite, we don't know. Would be huge to give up him, a 6OA reach, at this pt, but
Chytil - if redrafted he would have been like 7OA
Trouba was like 9OA
so being objective by the numbers, that is not a raw deal there.

As to the rest of it
Geo worth 2nd +
Strome wortu 2nd +
Howden drafted late first, while needs to improve scoring aspects of his game but as an elc who will stick would likely get a late first
Rykov had 2nd ish value when acquired AND IS EXP DR EXEMPT\
Hajek was key return in a major deal, looked fab 4 games, got injured, mishandled, projects well. ALSO yes it is inconvenient, but if he plays no more than 39 games this season HE IS ALSO EXP DR EXEMPT
likely also gets 2nd+
That leaves Lias Andersen who after returning from the dead, still elc, prob also gets a 2nd

Wings are giving up 2nds for 2nd + value and still have WAS 2nd in 2020.
They have enough cap to do it.

This would be short term hurt for NY, but they can handle/work around it, which would be worth it for structural cap relief translating Trouba's 8m into Seider's elc.

It also means w/Fox - Seider - and eventually Nils L
we can pay Deangelo 5.5 x 6, up his value, have him be versatile at LD. and deal later.


Kakko-Krav-Panarin
kreider-Zib-Buch
LaF-Barron-Gauthier
Lemeiux-Nieves-Gettinger

Lindgren-Fox
Deangelo-Seider
DeKeyser/Miller/Reunanen/Robertson-stopgap til... Nils L

Shesty
sign Howard cheap 1 yr backup
winner of Lindbom-Wall

something like that
 

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I’m sure we can find that type of dman for under 8 million per season long term. And isn’t Trouba supposed to be good in that role? He sure wasn’t this season. He got absolutely caved in by every metric

It's not the same getting most of your ice time against 2nd, 3rd and 4th liners as compared to against other teams 1st liners or better players.
 
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bernmeister

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8 million for trouba was laughable.
He would have signed for much less to make his wifey happy.

that's another point
pre covid it is not so clear

but NMCs should never be extended
extensive NTCs, yes, but never have a team fully handcuffed

anyhoo, til tom am kids
the old man is signing off, play nice...
 

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8 million for trouba was laughable.
He would have signed for much less to make his wifey happy.

I would take the Rangers cap management over the Jets cap management. Just saying. Rangers have a lot of money to work with so the $'s to Trouba aren't really an issue right now and might not be for another 4 or 5 years. Rangers have lots of ELC's and 2nd contract players--they have a lot of coming ELC's in the pipeline. The size, physical play component was important for us. None of Pionk, DeAngelo or Shattenkirk were really capable of handling 1st line or elite player matchups. This is why the Rangers wanted Trouba--his being experienced and still rather young was a good thing too.
 

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Actually he wanted to play in New York only because his girlfriend lives there. That's also why he got a no trade clause. So he's not being moved unless his personal situation changes. You'd think the Rangers should've gotten a discount given those circumstances, but I guess the Rangers feel they have to keep up their tradition of overpaying.
His girlfriend was actually still finishing her degree in Florida, he specifically wanted to play in a US market because she can't practice her medical degree in Canada
 
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I would take the Rangers cap management over the Jets cap management. Just saying. Rangers have a lot of money to work with so the $'s to Trouba aren't really an issue right now and might not be for another 4 or 5 years. Rangers have lots of ELC's and 2nd contract players--they have a lot of coming ELC's in the pipeline. The size, physical play component was important for us. None of Pionk, DeAngelo or Shattenkirk were really capable of handling 1st line or elite player matchups. This is why the Rangers wanted Trouba--his being experienced and still rather young was a good thing too.

I’m not even saying you’re wrong about Trouba. I doubt he’s traded and I’m not sure it makes sense to trade him, but I vehemently disagree about our cap management. This is one area where I think we’ve been really bad. We have four buyouts currently on the cap. We just traded a second rounder to get rid of a one year deal. Trouba and Kreider signed recently are bad contracts already. This is the area I worry about with our team. I’m worried that these contracts are going to eventually force us to have to move one of our stars because we can’t pay them.
 

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It’s much harder to replace the skill of DeAngelo & Fox than it would be to find a shutdown Dman, and that can be found for a LOT less than 8 mill. Lindgren is a tough cookie, Miller is a monster, DeAngelo can throw hands with the best of them. I don’t think we’re too soft, and if we traded Trouba for a LD I’d be targeting a big, defensive-minded guy

Lingren is a great option, but he's a #5/6. Miller hasn't even played a game in the NHL yet. We have Fox, DeAngelo, and one of our top prospects is a player in the exact same mold, who is also a RD (Lundkvist). Trouba brings size, physical play, and better defensive play than anyone else on the roster (Fox is the only one who comes close). He's not getting moved.
 

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8 million for trouba was laughable.
He would have signed for much less to make his wifey happy.

He made his wife happy by coming to a better place of career advancement and opportunity in New York.

“There's so much opportunity in New York, especially in the medical field," Tyson says. "It also poses its own challenges because it's a very desirable and competitive place to be."

Stop it.
 
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Would something like Trouba + Buch for OEL make sense for both teams? This is under the impression that Arizona can't move OEL without taking back some sort of expensive contract

Arizona wont move OEL if they cant do it without taking back a large contract. If they were going to take on Trouba's anchor I would guess they would rather keep OEL.
 

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Trouba is owed less money this year and significantly next money over the next 3 years. He's also younger too

Still too much cap for him. He is a middle of the road dman making star dman money which does not work in the current cap situation. Im guessing NY would have to retain at least 2 mill for Arizona to be interested
 

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DET desperately wants a 2C.
Chytil fits nicely.

A big deal note this is not outlandish b'c can be broken up into several multiple smaller deals.

Haven't had chance to finalize but would be something like:

Chytil + Howden + Trouba + Strome + Hajek + Rykov + Andersen + Georgiev
for
Seider + NYR 2021 + DET 2020, 2021 and 2022 2nds + EDM 2020 + 2021 2nds + cap dump DeKeyser 5m x 2

Analysis:
Wings would have to be overwhelmed and this does it.
In one fell swoop, they get
2C-Chytil
3C-Howden
4C- Lias
Strome could be 3C but see as RW and possible later rental
Trouba to offset loss of Seider
but also add desperately needed LD in Rykov and Hajek
finally also Geo for net.

Rangers get a stud RD prospect who is exp ex elc
lots of picks
DeKeyser is likely LTIR but that's ok for NY and if he does return, he'd be a tough bottom pair LD for 2 short yrs.
NY buys out from under the 6 yrs at 8 per

Further comment:
we don't know exactly how good Seider will be. We can all agree he is not magic beans and is Hedman lite. How lite, we don't know. Would be huge to give up him, a 6OA reach, at this pt, but
Chytil - if redrafted he would have been like 7OA
Trouba was like 9OA
so being objective by the numbers, that is not a raw deal there.

As to the rest of it
Geo worth 2nd +
Strome wortu 2nd +
Howden drafted late first, while needs to improve scoring aspects of his game but as an elc who will stick would likely get a late first
Rykov had 2nd ish value when acquired AND IS EXP DR EXEMPT\
Hajek was key return in a major deal, looked fab 4 games, got injured, mishandled, projects well. ALSO yes it is inconvenient, but if he plays no more than 39 games this season HE IS ALSO EXP DR EXEMPT
likely also gets 2nd+
That leaves Lias Andersen who after returning from the dead, still elc, prob also gets a 2nd

Wings are giving up 2nds for 2nd + value and still have WAS 2nd in 2020.
They have enough cap to do it.

This would be short term hurt for NY, but they can handle/work around it, which would be worth it for structural cap relief translating Trouba's 8m into Seider's elc.

It also means w/Fox - Seider - and eventually Nils L
we can pay Deangelo 5.5 x 6, up his value, have him be versatile at LD. and deal later.


Kakko-Krav-Panarin
kreider-Zib-Buch
LaF-Barron-Gauthier
Lemeiux-Nieves-Gettinger

Lindgren-Fox
Deangelo-Seider
DeKeyser/Miller/Reunanen/Robertson-stopgap til... Nils L

Shesty
sign Howard cheap 1 yr backup
winner of Lindbom-Wall

something like that

Acting like Detroit is good will here.
 
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Still too much cap for him. He is a middle of the road dman making star dman money which does not work in the current cap situation. Im guessing NY would have to retain at least 2 mill for Arizona to be interested

Only an anti NY hater would call Trouba a middle of the road dman. Welcome to HF.
 
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bl02

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Still too much cap for him. He is a middle of the road dman making star dman money which does not work in the current cap situation. Im guessing NY would have to retain at least 2 mill for Arizona to be interested
Middle of the road dman? He had a tough first half of the season last year. Maybe adjusting to NY? Maybe never having a good d partner in Skjei? IDK but he is definitely not a middle of the road dman. Precovid he probably was worth 6.5-7. another factor is I think he will only be 31 when his contract is over.
 

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Middle of the road dman? He had a tough first half of the season last year. Maybe adjusting to NY? Maybe never having a good d partner in Skjei? IDK but he is definitely not a middle of the road dman. Precovid he probably was worth 6.5-7. another factor is I think he will only be 31 when his contract is over.

At the very top end IMO. But we are not talking about trading him pre covid. We are talking about trading him now.
 

bl02

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At the very top end IMO. But we are not talking about trading him pre covid. We are talking about trading him now.
Well he's still young and a guy the Rangers need going forward. He's a big 26 Year old physical RHD and definitely not a middling defenseman. They have very skilled D men behind him in Fox, ADA and Lundkvist but none of those guys are like Trouba.
 

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Trouba is owed less money this year and significantly next money over the next 3 years. He's also younger too
zero scenario where Rangers swap large cap for large cap AND lose age in the process.
Plus Trouba is better asset if OEL gets beat up, breaks down in a year or 2.
Let EDM or BOS dig their own long term grave there.
Keep NY out of it and away from OEL


Acting like Detroit is good will here.
Don't understand.
These are solid assets.
DET is giving up mostly picks, entirely picks except for 1 stud prospect and a LD not worth his contract for short term cap dump if he gets off LTIR.
 

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zero scenario where Rangers swap large cap for large cap AND lose age in the process.
Plus Trouba is better asset if OEL gets beat up, breaks down in a year or 2.
Let EDM or BOS dig their own long term grave there.
Keep NY out of it and away from OEL



Don't understand.
These are solid assets.
DET is giving up mostly picks, entirely picks except for 1 stud prospect and a LD not worth his contract for short term cap dump if he gets off LTIR.

And their best prospect, massive amounts of cap space.
 

bernmeister

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And their best prospect, massive amounts of cap space.

Sounds like ya just wanna keep Seider.

Quality costs.
Talent gets paid.
I agree don't want to overpay anybody, but all those guys except Trouba are not overpaid, and JT is only over by 'bout a buck and a half.
Dekeyser is a favor if we are talking $.
We prob luck out and have him on LTIR, but if that's not the case, that's 2 yrs of $.

You have all that cap b'c you just got rid of a huge amount of deadwood. And you still have a lot of it.
So let's get real here.

There is too much on the table for that to be DET's best option.
You're getting pivots, LD, G, etc.
You won't get something for nothing and if you want to wait for it to come to you via draft [assuming no errors w/yr selections], be my guest.
 
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