Proposal: Jackets/Coyotes Center Swap

Viqsi

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Just an idea that came to mind while I was writing up something else and that I think might merit some discussion.

Small adds are obviously always possible if necessary; I'm not sure how or where they'd work, tho, so I didn't bother trying to incorporate them in this.


To Columbus:
Derek Stepan

To Arizona:
Alex Wennberg


Why Arizona might go for it:
Stepan's been a Good Soldier, to be sure, but Arizona is still building and it shows - in a pretty hopeless Pacific, they're unfortunately still near the bottom. That suggests that younger pieces would be valued - and that moving Stepan should be considered as he may well be no longer useful by the time the team is ready to compete. Wennberg is four years younger than Stepan, is also good in all situations (although he doesn't produce as many points, in no small part due to his reluctance to shoot), and still has upside that he can grow into and that he has a fair chance of meeting if he gets that Swift Kick In The Ass one can get from a trade. So he can both shelter kids as they develop AND potentially grow himself.

Why Columbus might go for it:
Wennberg's still got plenty of room to improve, but for whatever reason it's not been happening here, and improved production is pretty badly needed Right Now. Stepan's having a down year points-wise at the moment, but historically he's done much better, so he's absolutely worth picking up. He's also got a much bigger cap hit, but that's not really a worrisome consideration.


Why Arizona might say no:
Chat as much as one might like about "youth" and "potential"; in the end, Stepan has been a better NHL player than Wennberg. Unless Getting Younger is actually a useful priority, this would not be good value for Arizona as written; some add would be needed. Centers are valuable, y'know.

Why Columbus might say no:
Wennberg's upside is basically what Stepan is. He's younger, cost-controlled, and on a better contract. Unless that shortcut is a useful priority (I think it is), this would be problematic for Columbus as written. Centers are valuable, y'know.


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Doesn’t sound like a bad idea (especially with Raanta shelved) but despite his pretty mediocre numbers compared to what he could do (let’s face it the Coyotes are a black hole for offensive numbers still) - I’m willing to bet their management still sees him (Stepan) as an important piece going forward. They’ve loaded up on guys like Schmaltz and Galy who can play center but really shouldn’t be centers. Stepan is far from an ideal #1 but he carries the load.

You could say with Wennerberg either A) he’s simply not capable of carrying that load or B) maybe there’s a chance he’d blossom (or...re-blossom?) with a bigger role but at the end of the day I don’t think the Coyotes would pay to find out. For all his flaws, to me, Stepan is still a significantly better player than Wennberg and especially with Dvorak having been shelved, he’s the one center they can throw out there and know what to expect.
 
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Viqsi

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Why is Wennberg the bouque et missaire of every problem in Columbus ? y'all clearly hate him
Personally, I like him. But he's gone from "improving every season" to suddenly regressing. Some find that to be cause for worry but not necessarily desperation. Others think we need to get rid of him at the first opportunity because they never liked him or they think he's soft ( :laugh: ) or he just doesn't shoot enough (legit criticism but perhaps overstated). I was basically going team-by-team on the theory that "just trade him and Mysteriously Get Someone Better" was a little silly, and in the process discovered that I'd potentially overlooked Stepan as a target. So I figured, why the heck not. See what other folks think.
 

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Personally, I like him. But he's gone from "improving every season" to suddenly regressing. Some find that to be cause for worry but not necessarily desperatoin. Others think we need to get rid of him at the first opportunity because they never liked him or they think he's soft ( :laugh: ) or he just doesn't shoot enough (legit criticism but perhaps overstated). I was basically going team-by-team on the theory that "just trade him and Mysteriously Get Someone Better" was a little silly, and in the process discovered that I'd potentially overlooked Stepan as a target. So I figured, why the heck not. See what other folks think.

Honestly if I am Arizona I would do the trade in a heart beat, I just never hated Wennberg, he looks like he is regressing but he is still young and full of potential, might need a change of scenery.

but, how high are the Yotes on Stepan ? he's the kind of center no one talks about
 
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justafan22

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Honestly if I am Arizona I would do the trade in a heart beat, I just never hated Wennberg, he looks like he is regressing but he is still young and full of potential, might need a change of scenery.

but, how high are the Yotes on Stepan ? he's the kind of center no one talks about

This would be similar to Brassard/Zibanejiad right?
 

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Wenny has more points than Step....yikes. I'm sure team factors play into it but Stepan is only getting older and slower while the league is getting faster and faster. I'd prob keep Wenny as CBJ.
 
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mikeyp24

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Wennbergs biggest problem is he just wont shoot. The guy burries it at an an
astonishing rate when he has a real scoring chance. He just passes it way too often. I also think he is like the only player in the lockerroom who just refuses to take any coaching qdvice from Torts. Its like 99.99% of the team would do anything he asks but Wennberg just wont buy in. Honestly ARI look like it would be one of the best teams playstyle fit for wenny to go. I think Stepan back with Torts rejuvenates him and he breake back out.
 

Viqsi

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sign the papers with Viqsi asap
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major major

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I am fine with the Jackets trading to get older. Too many young team problems, and Stepan is a mensch.

But I wouldn't do this trade. Stepan's got a $6.5m cap hit that he can't match with his play. That could put the Jackets in a bind. They might already be pressed to buy-out Dubinsky. Perhaps if the team plans on not being close to the cap.
 

Viqsi

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I am fine with the Jackets trading to get older. Too many young team problems, and Stepan is a mensch.

But I wouldn't do this trade. Stepan's got a $6.5m cap hit that he can't match with his play. That could put the Jackets in a bind. They might already be pressed to buy-out Dubinsky. Perhaps if the team plans on not being close to the cap.
I suppose we could throw in Riley Nash to level out the cap, if that's not objectionable to Arizona.
 

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I suppose we could throw in Riley Nash to level out the cap, if that's not objectionable to Arizona.
I cant see it being an issue they arent really a cap team currently are they? I mean wennberg is a 5.5mil right? So its really only an extra mil coming our direction. Im not opposed to dumping the Nash experiment though. Just doesnt fit innour system it seems.
 

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If I were a Yotes fan, I'd drive Stepan to the airport myself. Wennberg might be a bit of a failed experiment but Jackets are selling low on him.
 

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That's a better deal for the Yotes, I'd say. If Arizona can't have him, how about Montreal offers Danault (who has more points than both Stepan and Wennberg this season) + Poehling for Wennberg + ??
 
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Viqsi

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That's a better deal for the Yotes, I'd say. If Arizona can't have him, how about Montreal offers Danault (who has more points than both Stepan and Wennberg this season) + Poehling for Wennberg + ??
No. The whole point for the Jackets is to get a player who's consistently better now. If we can't find a way to upgrade on Wennberg, there's not much point in trading him.
 
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A Loyal Dog

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No. The whole point for the Jackets is to get a player who's consistently better now. If we can't find a way to upgrade on Wennberg, there's not much point in trading him.
Danault is a consistently better player now, both offensively and especially defensively. I would only bite on Wennberg because of his potential.
 

Viqsi

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Danault is a consistently better player now, both offensively and especially defensively. I would only bite on Wennberg because of his potential.
His history puts him well below Wennberg in point production in past years, and this year he's scoring at the exact same pace. And I think you're underrating Wennberg defensively; he's a PK regular and one of our most consistently effective backcheckers.
 
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Deku

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I'd be open to trading Wennberg, but would rather move him for a younger piece
Stepan is doing quite poorly for his cap hit, too.
 

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