ISS Rankings (top 30)

[leoleo3535]

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=36721

Rank Player Pos Ht. Wt. S/C DoB Team League
1. ADAM LARSSON D 6'3 200 R Nov. 12/92 Skelleftea SweE
2. RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS C 6'0 170 L Apr. 12/93 Red Deer WHL
3. GABRIEL LANDESKOG LW 6'0 207 L Nov. 23/92 Kitchener OHL
4. SEAN COUTURIER C 6'4 195 L Dec. 12/92 Drummondville QMJHL
5. RYAN STROME C 6'0 183 R Jul. 11/93 Niagara OHL
6. RYAN MURPHY D 5'10 176 R Mar. 31/93 Kitchener OHL
7. DUNCAN SIEMENS D 6'3 197 L Sept. 7/93 Saskatoon WHL
8. DOUGLAS HAMILTON D 6'4 193 R Jun. 17/93 Niagara OHL
9. BRANDON SAAD LW 6'1 208 L Oct 27/92 Saginaw OHL
10. NICKLAS JENSEN F 6'2 188 L Mar. 6/93 Oshawa OHL
11. JOEL ARMIA RW 6'3 191 R May 31/93 Assat FinE
12. TYLER BIGGS RW 6'2 210 R Apr. 30/93 USA Under-18 USHL
13. DAVID MUSIL D 6'3 200 L Apr. 9/93 Vancouver WHL
14. VICTOR RASK C 6'1 194 L Mar. 1/93 Leksands SweAI
15. ALEXANDR KHOKHLACHEV F 5'10 188 L Sept. 9/93 Windsor OHL
16. MARK MCNEILL C 6'1 204 R Feb. 22/93 Prince Albert WHL
17. DMITRI JASKIN RW 6'2 196 L Mar. 23/93 Slavia CzeJr
18. MATTHEW PUEMPEL LW 6'0 198 L Jan. 24/93 Peterborough OHL
19. JONATHAN HUBERDEAU C/LW 6'1 168 L Jun. 4/93 Saint John QMJHL
20. TY RATTIE LW 5'11 170 R Feb. 5/93 Portland WHL
21. VLADISLAV NAMESTNIKOV C 5'11 170 L Nov. 22/92 London OHL
22. SCOTT MAYFIELD D 6'3 197 R Oct. 14/92 Youngstown USHL
23. MYLES BELL D 6'0 209 R Aug. 19/93 Regina WHL
24. SVEN BARTSCHI LW 5'10 175 L Oct. 5/92 Portland WHL
25. ROCCO GRIMALDI C 5'6 163 R Feb. 8/93 USA Under-18 USHL
26. TOMAS JURCO RW 6'2 193 L Dec. 28/92 Saint John QMJHL
27. MATTHEW NIETO LW 5'10 175 L Nov. 5/92 Boston Univ. H.E.
28. COLIN JACOBS F 6'1 205 R Jan. 20/93 Seattle WHL
29. DANIEL CATENACCI C 5'9 176 L Mar. 3/93 S.S. Marie OHL
30. RICKARD RAKELL RW 6'0 191 R May 5/93 Plymouth OHL

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[HSF]

Jensen

Rumour (BDP) that Ottawa really really likes this kid and if he keeps shooting up like OEL/Karlsson/Johansen did then we might be able to justify taking him in the top 10

 

[member 30781]

Jensen will be good. I just don't see him sneaking into the top 10 in this draft. I dont know, maybe Im wrong.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Nik Jennsen. And rise he should.

He is starting to settle in. The guys potential is through the roof.
Please go to the West. I dont want to see you dominate on a team like Ottawa.

 

[Jabba11]

Huberdeau way too low. What have Strome done more than Huberdeau? Same height, almost same points in respective leagues.

 

[DuklaNation]

Jensen has been red hot this month.

 

[vippe]

huh Rakell at 30... I've only seen him at the WJC and he looked good a few games there, anyone who sees him play more than I do who could give me more info about him, upside?

 

[Tobias]

Jensen finally getting the recognition he deserves. He is better than Boedker was in his draft year IMO, so sneaking into the top 10 shouldn't be impossible.

 

[KristoLeblanc*]

Couturier 4th is ridiculous.

Not surprised by the ISS tho.

3 goals - 7 assists - 10pts in 5 games since returning from the WJC.

19 - 43 - 62pts in 39 games.

Was leading scorer of the LHJMQ at 17 years old. He is sitting 8th this season while having missed a lot of games.

There is no single argument to be made with Couturier sitting on 4th.

I won't even comment on Huberdeau at 19th.

Big bias against the Q ISS ?

 

[Bjorn Le]

Couturier 4th is ridiculous.

Not surprised by the ISS tho.

3 goals - 7 assists - 10pts in 5 games since returning from the WJC.

19 - 43 - 62pts in 39 games.

Was leading scorer of the LHJMQ at 17 years old. He is sitting 8th this season while having missed a lot of games.

There is no single argument to be made with Couturier sitting on 4th.

I won't even comment on Huberdeau at 19th.

Big bias against the Q ISS ?

Everyone has Couturier at 4. Poor WJC and everyone else rising has a lot to do with it.

 

[Tormentor]

Name|#Aug|#Sep|#Oct|#Nov|#Dec|#Jan
Adam Larsson|2|3|3|3|3|1|
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins|6|2|2|2|2|2|
Gabriel Landeskog|11|6|6|4|4|3|
Sean Couturier|1|1|1|1|1|4|
Ryan Strome|-|-|-|12|9|5|
Ryan Murphy|8|9|4|5|6|6|
Duncan Siemens|10|11|11|8|8|7|
Douglas Hamilton|-|10|10|11|11|8|
Brandon Saad|7|7|7|9|5|9|
Niclas Jensen|22|-|-|-|-|10|
Joel Armia|17|19|15|6|7|11|
Tyler Biggs|28|30|-|-|28|12|
David Musil|4|4|9|14|13|13|
Victor Rask|3|5|5|7|10|14|
Alexander Khokhlachev|-|21|13|18|14|15|
Mark McNeill|-|-|-|27|15|16|
Dmitrij Jaskin|-|-|29|19|16|17|
Matthew Puempel|12|8|8|10|12|18|
Jonathan Huberdeau|-|-|-|-|-|19|
Ty Rattie|19|-|-|25|30|20|
Vladislav Namestnikov|9|20|21|20|19|21|
Scott Mayfield|-|-|-|22|21|22|
Myles Bell|-|-|23|15|17|23|
Sven Bärtschi|-|-|-|-|26|24|
Rocco Grimaldi|-|-|30|30|23|25|
Tomas Jurco|14|14|14|17|22|26|
Matthew Nieto|18|22|22|21|20|27|
Colin Jacobs|-|-|-|26|27|28|
Daniel Catenacci|23|23|24|-|29|29|
Rickard Rakell|-|-|-|-|-|30|
Robbie Russo|25|-|25|13|18|-|
Maxim Shalunov|-|16|18|24|24|-|
Shane McColgan|15|17|19|23|25|-|
Seth Ambroz|5|12|12|16|-|-|
Patrick Koudys|-|29|28|28|-|-|
Adam Clendening|21|15|17|29|-|-|
Oscar Klefbom|-|13|16|-|-|-|
Boone Jenner|16|18|20|-|-|-|
Joachim Nermark|29|24|26|-|-|-|
Connor Murphy|-|26|27|-|-|-|
Brett Ritchie|-|25|-|-|-|-|
Scott Harrington|-|27|-|-|-|-|
Alan Quine|-|28|-|-|-|-|
Nick Shore|13|-|-|-|-|-|
Michael St. Croix|20|-|-|-|-|-|
Garrett Meurs|24|-|-|-|-|-|
Anton Zlobin|26|-|-|-|-|-|
Nathan Beaulieu|27|-|-|-|-|-|
Mika Zibanejad|30|-|-|-|-|-|

 

[seadawg]

Everyone has Couturier at 4. Poor WJC and everyone else rising has a lot to do with it.

I understand Landeskog and Larsson jumping ahead of Couturier based on the WJC, but I just don't get how RNH is now 2nd on most lists. I like him a lot. I really do. But how can he move ahead of Couturier and even Landeskog when he didn't even play in the WJC. I know Couturier wasn't amazing at the WJC, but he played the role he was given and he made the team when RNH couldn't. It seems to me like the scouts are rewarding RNH for not even playing in the WJC and punishing Couturier because he was asked to play a mostly defensive role as the team's 3rd line centre.

 

[AmericanDream]

this draft just shows how all over the place it is from picks #11 and up. Lots of talent can beplaced from pretty much #15-45 here. We knew this draft had some high end talent, but the depth is turning out a bit better then we thought. Teams will be getting some talented kids in the second round no doubt.

 

[FinHockey]

I know Armia had a poor WJC but he has scored in both games since coming back to SM-liiga. I don't know why he has dropped out of top 10.

 

[Jacob Christian]

Jensen finally getting the recognition he deserves. He is better than Boedker was in his draft year IMO, so sneaking into the top 10 shouldn't be impossible.

Tobias, be careful to compare Jensen with Boedker. Just because they are both from Denmark doesn't make it a valid comparison. Jensen plays a different style of ice hockey compared to Boedker and where scouts back then were impressed by Boedker's speed, his shot and his ability to successfully play the point on the powerplay, it is a whole other thing with Jensen. He uses his size and strength well but he still needs to fill out his frame. He is more a goal scorer than a set-up-winger (opposed to Boedker) and although he is a good skater, it is his size and skill set that helps him come to scoring chances.

When all that is said, I agree with you that Jensen is top 10 material. But as someone wrote earlier in this thread, this draft is proving to be rather deep. Just look at players like McColgan, Ambroz, Rask, Musil and Jurco who all have fallen on the various rankings since October. None of them would be bad picks for any team drafting 15-30 on draft day.

If a team is really high on Jensen, he could go before or around the 10th spot but he could as easily fall to late-first.

 

[Tobias]

Tobias, be careful to compare Jensen with Boedker. Just because they are both from Denmark doesn't make it a valid comparison. Jensen plays a different style of ice hockey compared to Boedker and where scouts back then were impressed by Boedker's speed, his shot and his ability to successfully play the point on the powerplay, it is a whole other thing with Jensen. He uses his size and strength well but he still needs to fill out his frame. He is more a goal scorer than a set-up-winger (opposed to Boedker) and although he is a good skater, it is his size and skill set that helps him come to scoring chances.

When all that is said, I agree with you that Jensen is top 10 material. But as someone wrote earlier in this thread, this draft is proving to be rather deep. Just look at players like McColgan, Ambroz, Rask, Musil and Jurco who all have fallen on the various rankings since October. None of them would be bad picks for any team drafting 15-30 on draft day.

If a team is really high on Jensen, he could go before or around the 10th spot but he could as easily fall to late-first.

I'm not comparing them as player types, just potential and contribution to the team at the same age. I honestly think Jensen is the best Danish prospect ever, and for this reason, i have faith that it is possible for him to go top 10. I'm well aware that there are other great talents, and the fact that e.g Joel Armia is now at 11 and Victor Rask at 14 tells me just how deep the draft seems to be. But as a Dane, and being convinced that he is the most talented so far, i believe

 

[The Hulk]

Does the ISS have something against Huberdeau.. i mean he could go as early as 5th and this is his first month ranked and he's 19th.. Something is wrong here

 

[scoutman1]

IF ISS did use the World Juniors to drop a player like Couturier than IMO that is just nuts, A...it is just one tournament, B....for an undrafted player too much is put into if they do super or not...ISS I find is too over the board with there scouting for me...them having Huberdeau so low in the rankings is just beyond me...again if they used the World Juniors for alter the rankings then I lost some credibility of these guys...I do agree and always did I would have Larsson ahead of Couturier, I think a dman of that size and skill does not come along every day...but for Hopkins to be ahead, and Landeskog...Landeskog is good but too me his offensive skills do not match Couturiers, defensivly both are good the only thing Landeskog is better at his physical ability, but Couturier's offensive potential is beyond Landeskog's.

 

[Tiranis]

I know Armia had a poor WJC but he has scored in both games since coming back to SM-liiga. I don't know why he has dropped out of top 10.

I'm going to guess that there's concerns as to how he will adapt to the game here when he comes over... He couldn't have done much worse for himself in the WJC. (IMO and all that...)

IF ISS did use the World Juniors to drop a player like Couturier than IMO that is just nuts, A...it is just one tournament, B....for an undrafted player too much is put into if they do super or not...ISS I find is too over the board with there scouting for me...them having Huberdeau so low in the rankings is just beyond me...again if they used the World Juniors for alter the rankings then I lost some credibility of these guys...I do agree and always did I would have Larsson ahead of Couturier, I think a dman of that size and skill does not come along every day...but for Hopkins to be ahead, and Landeskog...Landeskog is good but too me his offensive skills do not match Couturiers, defensivly both are good the only thing Landeskog is better at his physical ability, but Couturier's offensive potential is beyond Landeskog's.

Huberdeau wasn't even in the Top 30 prior to January so I don't see the big deal there... If anything, it's a positive that he went from nothing to #19. In all likelyhood he'll keep rising.

 

[y2kcanucks]

I'm going to guess that there's concerns as to how he will adapt to the game here when he comes over... He couldn't have done much worse for himself in the WJC. (IMO and all that...)

There also haven't been many Finnish players to come over and have success in recent years.

 

[arsmaster*]

Everyone has Couturier at 4. Poor WJC and everyone else rising has a lot to do with it.

Couturier did NOT have a poor WJHC. He didnt play to the unfair expectations that were placed on him, largely by people who have never seen him play before.

There was unfair hype on him because of the last 2 guys who were touted at #1(Tavares and Hall) having really good performances at the WJHC in their draft years.

Stamkos didnt set the world on fire at the WJHC in his draft year either.

I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that Canada lost in the gold medal game...if Canada won gold, and Coturier had the exact same performance people wouldnt be saying he had a poor tournament.

He looked solid in the pre-tourney, and I think if they would have put him with Leblanc early in the tournament we would have saw more fluid offensive bursts.

Brayden Schenn led the tourney in points and even had a 5 point game, his offensive game wasnt that impressive though.....mostly garbage goals, where he fanned on his first attempt only to bang in the 2nd.....stats at the WJHC dont tell the whole story, especially when playing as a 3rd line center on a deep yet, mediocrely talented squad. Sean will be fine. Just like we cant expect Schenn to score 4 points a game.

 

[scoutman1]

I'm going to guess that there's concerns as to how he will adapt to the game here when he comes over... He couldn't have done much worse for himself in the WJC. (IMO and all that...)



Huberdeau wasn't even in the Top 30 prior to January so I don't see the big deal there... If anything, it's a positive that he went from nothing to #19. In all likelyhood he'll keep rising.

it is a big deal, it shows lack of viewing which is a concern...how could you just put him the rankings right now, really any one who watches him play who doesn't even know who else is ranked in the draft can come away and say that guy is going to be a 1st round pick.

 

[GDU]

Huberdeau at 19th is pretty much massive fail...

corturerier/larson/ladeskog/RNH are all on the same level to me so i dont care who is ranked where amoung this group, although the lower corturerier goes the more possible the oilers could get him at 3rd or even 4th...

that being said we should draft larsson... if we have the chance.

 

[LuckyLuke87]

Don't understand that cries about Couturier ranked so low.

Fact 1: He had poor WJC. He was from unimpressive to invisible as tournament went on.
Fact 2: Canada lost finals - I know, not Couturier's falt, but still...

I agree, that being overhyped before WJC is the main reason, why he's so low now. But he's got enough time to prove people wrong. Personally, I think that #3 suits him well at the moment (drop to #4 no big deal though). If he can dominate Q again, than he can regain his #1 status, but right now, Larsson and Landeskog are clearly in front of him...

 

[Regina Pat]

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=36721

Rank Player Pos Ht. Wt. S/C DoB Team League
1. ADAM LARSSON D 6'3 200 R Nov. 12/92 Skelleftea SweE
2. RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS C 6'0 170 L Apr. 12/93 Red Deer WHL
3. GABRIEL LANDESKOG LW 6'0 207 L Nov. 23/92 Kitchener OHL
4. SEAN COUTURIER C 6'4 195 L Dec. 12/92 Drummondville QMJHL
5. RYAN STROME C 6'0 183 R Jul. 11/93 Niagara OHL
6. RYAN MURPHY D 5'10 176 R Mar. 31/93 Kitchener OHL
7. DUNCAN SIEMENS D 6'3 197 L Sept. 7/93 Saskatoon WHL
8. DOUGLAS HAMILTON D 6'4 193 R Jun. 17/93 Niagara OHL
9. BRANDON SAAD LW 6'1 208 L Oct 27/92 Saginaw OHL
10. NICKLAS JENSEN F 6'2 188 L Mar. 6/93 Oshawa OHL
11. JOEL ARMIA RW 6'3 191 R May 31/93 Assat FinE
12. TYLER BIGGS RW 6'2 210 R Apr. 30/93 USA Under-18 USHL
13. DAVID MUSIL D 6'3 200 L Apr. 9/93 Vancouver WHL
14. VICTOR RASK C 6'1 194 L Mar. 1/93 Leksands SweAI
15. ALEXANDR KHOKHLACHEV F 5'10 188 L Sept. 9/93 Windsor OHL
16. MARK MCNEILL C 6'1 204 R Feb. 22/93 Prince Albert WHL
17. DMITRI JASKIN RW 6'2 196 L Mar. 23/93 Slavia CzeJr
18. MATTHEW PUEMPEL LW 6'0 198 L Jan. 24/93 Peterborough OHL
19. JONATHAN HUBERDEAU C/LW 6'1 168 L Jun. 4/93 Saint John QMJHL
20. TY RATTIE LW 5'11 170 R Feb. 5/93 Portland WHL
21. VLADISLAV NAMESTNIKOV C 5'11 170 L Nov. 22/92 London OHL
22. SCOTT MAYFIELD D 6'3 197 R Oct. 14/92 Youngstown USHL
23. MYLES BELL D 6'0 209 R Aug. 19/93 Regina WHL
24. SVEN BARTSCHI LW 5'10 175 L Oct. 5/92 Portland WHL
25. ROCCO GRIMALDI C 5'6 163 R Feb. 8/93 USA Under-18 USHL
26. TOMAS JURCO RW 6'2 193 L Dec. 28/92 Saint John QMJHL
27. MATTHEW NIETO LW 5'10 175 L Nov. 5/92 Boston Univ. H.E.
28. COLIN JACOBS F 6'1 205 R Jan. 20/93 Seattle WHL
29. DANIEL CATENACCI C 5'9 176 L Mar. 3/93 S.S. Marie OHL
30. RICKARD RAKELL RW 6'0 191 R May 5/93 Plymouth OHL

Peumpel: I don't think he goes before 20, I don't even have him past 25.
Huberdeau: I think he should much higher. Top 10 IMO.
Bell: Atta BOY!
Couturier/RNH: I'd move RNH to 4th, and move Couturier up too 3rd, maybe past Landeskog. We'll see.