Proposal: Isles-Kings

[Quid Pro Clowe]

That's a terrible trade for LA. Just terrible.

Value isn't bad. Neither trades happen to meet their needs, though.

 

[Roof Daddy]

We don't have to protect brown. It's more likely....

The 3 regular dman and regular goalie and Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli, Pearson, Mersch, Gaborik, (some young guy that needs it).

My bad. Thought he had a NMC.

 

[DonskoiDonscored]

Value isn't bad. Neither trades happen to meet their needs, though.

Toffoli is going to be an elite scorer. Lee and Nelson likely aren't going to reach that level.

 

[Otto91]

Islanders are not trading with The Kings! Snow will wait to see what happens with teams that have cap issues and still need to sign players and players that filed for arbitration that might have to be dealt.

 

[go4hockey]

Los Angeles Receives:


BROCK NELSON, LW, C 2,500,000 2 yrs

ANDERS LEE, LW, C 3,750,000 3 yrs


+1,000,000 salary retained




Islanders Receives:


TYLER TOFFOLI LW, 3,250,000 1 yrs

DEREK FORBORT, D 650,000 2 yrs

Those are both good players but nothing in that offer has me willing to give Toffoli. Further more he is one of the last players I would wanna see moved as he has shown he can score goals at a high rate even in the Kings system. Thanks but no thanks.

 

[go4hockey]

I think LA would ask for Pulock.

No chance that would be the ask for Toffoli. Think higher. Agree with RoofDaddy it would take a deal based around Hamonic and still that would be tough to work out TT is that important to LA's offense

 

[go4hockey]

While I can understand the sentiment as a gut reaction regarding my proposals. I feel you are not looking at the whole picture when it comes to the salary cap and or the expansion draft.

Anyway I tried, I would gladly keep any or all of the Isles players mentioned in my proposals.

Since in my understanding, you will have to protect Kopitar and Brown due to their NTC/ NMC, who else would LA protect?

Sir you are wrong on the Brown front. That's one of the things Dean has done a good job with he does not hand out NTC/NMC with every contact like some GM's do. Brown will be exposed so that's a spot for some else.

 

[go4hockey]

i doubt dean would do that He's not giving up his top young player and a defenseman he called the best d not in nhl after one year We already lost 20 goals when lucic left we aren't losing 30 without someone who can score 40 imo

And not many players can score 40 playing LA style hockey.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

And not many players can score 40 playing LA style hockey.

i agree which is why i wouldn't trade toffoli for less than a overpayment

 

[go4hockey]

i agree which is why i wouldn't trade toffoli for less than a overpayment

Agreed. I'm with you on this front.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Agreed. I'm with you on this front.

while Hamonic is elusive with his right handed shot top 4 defense abilities I think finding toffoli a 30 goal scorer in la ubar defensive system is even rarer and thus make him more valuable. Hamonic on la is a 2nd pairing defenseman no matter how you slice it he ain't playing more then drew Top line elite scorers are worth more to me

 

[JKG33]

yea, lol at LA trading Toffoli for a couple of middle 6 forwards. Not going to happen. If Toffoli is traded (he won't) it'd be for a top 4 defenseman.

 

[Reaper45]

We don't have to protect brown. It's more likely....

The 3 regular dman and regular goalie and Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli, Pearson, Mersch, Gaborik, (some young guy that needs it).

No chance the Kings protect Gaborik. Or Mersch. Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, McNabb, Kopitar, Toffoli, Carter, Pearson, Quick.

 

[member 88115]

I don't think he would be with drew. He would be on the 2nd pairing with alec imo. You're not going to pair two right handed defenseman together. Nelson while i'm sure is capable of scoring 20 goals on most teams I would not say he will score 20 in la.I think you're overestimating his impact right away It will be a few years before he get to that point in la We are in a win now mode Toffoli has proven he can score on pp pk and 5 on 5 I don't want or see us giving it up without a overpayment

Kings staple has always been puck possession. Quick stops the puck, Dmen clear net and move the puck up the ice to the Centers. Centers move on offense with smart passes to the wingers or skate it in and not loose the puck. Our big wingers job was to wear the other team down the opposing team on the forecheck. But we got stuck in our zone too many times in our zone because Schenn, Scuderi and McNabb (the last 2/3 of the season) could not play our system (and yes we once had Regehr, but he got to play with Voynov who we no longer have). Our third line Center was a revolving door to where our first two lines had more defensive responsibilities & had very little help from the bottom lines (even though we had the same wingers from our cup runs) to keep the puck possession (momentum) going our way. I don't want to trade Toffoli away, but he is our best chip to fill more important roster spots to where our team system is covered. From Goalies, to Dmen and Centers. Anyhow, it is always great to chat with you KF1976

 

[Macch]

Isles should be targeting Carter, Kings won't move Toffoli, nor should they.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Isles should be targeting Carter, Kings won't move Toffoli, nor should they.

I don't see where that would be any less over a overpayment

 

[kingpest19]

Still no I don't think your getting how important Toffoli is to the kings He is a shorthand threat plays on out pp The first 30 goal scorer in 20 years All on a team that struggles to score goals No offense to the player offered None of them are guaranteed to score in las system. Also not giving up any picks as our farm teams need prospects

First 30 goal scorer in 20 years?

 

[KingCanadain1976]

First 30 goal scorer in 20 years?

i believe its something like that a long time for sure

 

[go4hockey]

No chance the Kings protect Gaborik. Or Mersch. Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, McNabb, Kopitar, Toffoli, Carter, Pearson, Quick.

Yep I agree this will most likely be our protected list. And it should be.

 

[go4hockey]

Isles should be targeting Carter, Kings won't move Toffoli, nor should they.

With Carter at such s sweet cap hit he would be tough to pry out of LA. If the NYI are looking for offense LA should be the last place they should be looking unless they want someone like Gabby. We don't have a ton of offensive players and don't see us moving any of Kopitar, Carter or Toffoli and the next one near that list is Pearson. Maybe they should look at another team with more forwards that can score cause LA needs the few they have that can.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

the proposals are fair, but LA fans have a bromance with Titty

so no deal until DL decides to trade him for less than what we thought we deserved

cool story?

 

[KingsOfCali25]

i believe its something like that a long time for sure

I believe Kopitar scored 30 some odd in 2009.

 

[KingsOfCali25]

No chance the Kings protect Gaborik. Or Mersch. Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, McNabb, Kopitar, Toffoli, Carter, Pearson, Quick.

Unless McNabb has a great year. I don't see him getting protected. Especially if some odd reason someone like Kempe needs to be protected. Also with Gravel and Forbort coming up...it might be fine not to protect him.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I believe Kopitar scored 30 some odd in 2009.

i sit corrected Still a rare thing in la lately compared to the first 25 years of king hockey

 

[ADifferentTim]

Don't even go there, Drivefor5. Toffoli is untouchable. No questions asked.

This only further feeds the notion Dean Lombardi has the unfortunate knack of trading away youth for veterans, a la the late George Steinbrenner.