Rumor: Isles and Sens discussed Duchene to LI trade

[IODCPiper]

Lou has to make some type of move besides signing crappy free agents.

Hopefully he doesnt until the end of this coming season after draft lottery

 

[IODCPiper]

Those crappy free agents were signed to bolster the worst PK in the league.
Isles required Martin for the leadership/locker room.
Isles are not filling all their roster holes in one offseason. Isles were in on ROR and are now kicking the tires on Duchene. I would rather slide Bailey back to the #2C position then badly overpay for Duchens 55-60 pts.

The 2019 draft is deep at center and the 2019 ufa class is reportedly a strong one.

Agreed

 

[Drij]

Has Duchene expressed interest to re sign in ottawa? Or has all that been quiet?

He said he want to play in the playoffs... neither Ottawa or NYI are making the playoffs. lol

 

[JoeSakic13]

But the odds are so against having the #1 pick EVEN when being the worst team. Yeah Hughes is amazing and I'd take him in a second, but the Sens #1 pick is a LOOOOOOOOOOONG way from Hughes right now, and still a long shot until the lotto.

This is true, but the post you were snickering at simply said it has the potential to be equal to Barzal. Not that it is definitely equally.

That being said, if the rumour this thread is about has a hint of truth it makes this an even more likely possibility.

 

[Strait2thecup]

This is true, but the post you were snickering at simply said it has the potential to be equal to Barzal. Not that it is definitely equally.

That being said, if the rumour this thread is about has a hint of truth it makes this an even more likely possibility.

Tbh I think the whole argument here is stupid and somewhat salty coming from both sides but it should be noted the avs got ridiculously lucky in regards to the first. Many here are pretending that first was expected to have even remotely close to the value it holds now when at the time of the trade Ottawa just came off of a run that left them 1 goal away from the finals

 

[Riseonfire]

This is true, but the post you were snickering at simply said it has the potential to be equal to Barzal. Not that it is definitely equally.

That being said, if the rumour this thread is about has a hint of truth it makes this an even more likely possibility.

Ah, potential. I'm an Islander fan, I know all about the high amount of variance among t0p picks. Trying to equate a high pick with a star young player argument will always be back to this:

 

[LamorielloAndSon]

He said he want to play in the playoffs... neither Ottawa or NYI are making the playoffs. lol

Going from worst defensive coach to best defensive coach and a slight downgrade in a top 2 center spot(if they get duchene) makes the playoffs easily

Also you're an avs fan, didn't they just like double their points total last season from The year before?

 

[Hasbro]

Going from worst defensive coach to best defensive coach and a slight downgrade in a top 2 center spot(if they get duchene) makes the playoffs easily

Also you're an avs fan, didn't they just like double their points total last season from The year before?

Helps that they didn't trade MacKinnon.

 

[LamorielloAndSon]

Helps that they didn't trade MacKinnon.

And the isles still have Barzal so what's your point?

 

[LargusMeans]

What the hell are the Sens doing? If they trade EK, Ryan and Duchene they are basically guaranteeing the Avs the 1st OA pick. I don't understand why they would do this. Not fielding a competitive team this year will not serve their best interests at all. They should have given up this years pick if everything plays out like the rumors are suggesting.

 

[CodeE]

And the isles still have Barzal so what's your point?

Smug offseason predictions as to who will (muh team) and won't (yur team) make the playoffs are always accurate.

 

[JoeSakic13]

Tbh I think the whole argument here is stupid and somewhat salty coming from both sides but it should be noted the avs got ridiculously lucky in regards to the first. Many here are pretending that first was expected to have even remotely close to the value it holds now when at the time of the trade Ottawa just came off of a run that left them 1 goal away from the finals

I can honestly say I was not in that camp. When the Duchene trade happened I not only expected Ottawa to rebound (they were in a bit of a downwards spiral leading in) but that Colorado should be looking a pick in the top 5 again with their own draft pick.

Hindsight is 20/20 and I remember trying to find out if the 1st round pick was protected or not (obv it was), but I honestly never thought that it would be looking like next season would be even worse. Obviously as an Avs fan I'm ecstatic for the situation, but if Duchene was the kind of guy who did better under pressure who knows. Everything just seemed to go wrong for the Sens last season and arguably it's not exactly gonna get better next.

 

[Korpse]

What the hell are the Sens doing? If they trade EK, Ryan and Duchene they are basically guaranteeing the Avs the 1st OA pick. I don't understand why they would do this. Not fielding a competitive team this year will not serve their best interests at all. They should have given up this years pick if everything plays out like the rumors are suggesting.

They aren’t trading Duchene.

 

[Strait2thecup]

I can honestly say I was not in that camp. When the Duchene trade happened I not only expected Ottawa to rebound (they were in a bit of a downwards spiral leading in) but that Colorado should be looking a pick in the top 5 again with their own draft pick.

Hindsight is 20/20 and I remember trying to find out if the 1st round pick was protected or not (obv it was), but I honestly never thought that it would be looking like next season would be even worse. Obviously as an Avs fan I'm ecstatic for the situation, but if Duchene was the kind of guy who did better under pressure who knows. Everything just seemed to go wrong for the Sens last season and arguably it's not exactly gonna get better next.

Yeah I mean it may end up being a Barzal for Reinhart level fleecing. Avs are in amazing shape. Really enjoyed watching them the few times I did this year. Hope mackinnon can be as good next year so more realize just how elite he is

 

[Icebreakers]

Cant see Ottawa moving him,after what we paid for him there was likely talk of an extension in place well beforehand...He will resign in Ottawa

I don't think you'll want him at 7.5 mil +

 

[72hockey guy]

Girard is going to be a very good defenseman and he's way more mobile than Pulock. I don't think it's easy to compare the two because they bring different tools to the game, but Girard is going to be a very good defenseman and could end up better than Pulock. I don't think the OP is going out on a limb by saying that. I also guess it's quite possible that if Sorokin never comes over and they get Hughes next year then they could quite possibly eclipse the ask from the Isles. Going to have to wait and see on that one. There are a ton of ifs. I think Isles fans need to forget about Sorokin. He's shown no interest in the NHL at all.

leap your dead wrong
youre s far wrong youre on another planet.

sorokin will come over Ive told you this before and you dont listen. with him its all about money. hes making more in russia than he can here thats all it is. he will wait til all he can be offered is a 1 year ELC THAT WAY HE IS ONE YEAR AWAY FROM BIG MONEY. thats when he will sign, because thats the only way he'll get big money

he can Never be a free agent until he signs a stadard Players contract. the Isles own his rights FOREVER as far as the NHL is concerned unless he is traded or released. he could be 50 and those rights remain theirs. he can never be a free agent without signing an NHL contract, how many times must you be told this until you get it

you have been told this by me time and again for 2 years and you refuse to accept this. youre also wrong about Girard . pulock will outscore girard throughout his career, Girard is and okay player but he will never score 40 points in the NHL pulock will this year. its one thing being younger its another thing assuming that that means a player has skills they dont have

girard benefitted from a total offense attack from shawnagans pure offensive attackjust like Anthony Beauvillier did and just like beauvillier isnt really a 40 goal 90 oint scorer in reality neither are those numbers a real representation of girards abilities

 

[Byzantium]

leap your dead wrong
youre s far wrong youre on another planet.

sorokin will come over Ive told you this before and you dont listen. with him its all about money. hes making more in russia than he can here thats all it is. he will wait til all he can be offered is a 1 year ELC THAT WAY HE IS ONE YEAR AWAY FROM BIG MONEY

you have been told this by me time and again for 2 years and you refuse to accept this. youre also wrong about Girard . pulock will outscore girard throughout his career, Girard is and okay player but he will never score 40 points in the NHL pulock will this year. its one thing being younger its another thing assuming that that means a player has skills they dont have

girard benefitted from a total offense attack from shawnagans pure offensive attackjust like Anthony Beauvillier did and just like beauvillier isntreally a 40 goal 90 oint scorer in reality neither are those numbers a real representation of girards abilities

You are the guy who said Rantanen's above PPG season in the AHL at 19 was nothing special and somehow much less impressive than Kieffer Bellows post draft achievments. Can't say your projection of avs prospects carry a lot of weight.

 

[72hockey guy]

You are the guy who said Rantanen's above PPG season in the AHL at 19 was nothing special and somehow much less impressive than Kieffer Bellows post draft achievments. Can't say your projection of avs prospects carry a lot of weight.

no i said that Rantanen benefitted from riding shotgun with Mackinnon if youre gonna try and quote me actually do it, dont make shit up and say i said it. i said I think Bellows is better and rantanen only did as well because of Mackinnon. I still believe that

your word means nothing if you cant accurately quote someone and you make stuff up like you just did

 

[Byzantium]

No it makes you look like a homer.
You weren't aware of the rules number one. You were wrong about Barzal number two. You didn't even know Bellows isn't even permitted in the AHL til he's 20.

And you kept trying to pass off rantanen stats in the A like they were some sort of accomplishment.
Those are the facts.

I've said all along I'm more than willing to wait on Bellows until he has those 2 years to develop.

You want to compare them then, go right ahead but until then it's not a valid comparison

no i said that Rantanen benefitted from riding shotgun with Mackinnon if youre gonna try and quote me actually do it, dont make **** up and say i said it. i said I think Bellows is better and rantanen only did aswell because of Mackinnon. I still believe that

your word means nothing if you cant accurately quote someone and you make stuff up like you just did

 

[72hockey guy]

thats much better, and I stand by what I actually said the fact that rantanen was allowed in the ahl at his age was not something bellows could do since as a rule he wasnt allowed to. so why should ratenen deserve credit for having that right, when bellows and countless north americans do not?

it seems to me that you still dont understand the rule

rantanen because of where he is from was allowed to play in the AHL before the age of 20

north americans have no choice they must return to junoirs unless they are 20. so why should Rantanen be credited because he could do something they arent allowed to do?

 

[Hasbro]

And the isles still have Barzal so what's your point?

He'll be a Hart Finalist next season? Good for him.

It's a fallacy just throwing out the Avalanche's turn around, without outlining the underlining reasons.

While I think Lou and Trotz help, losing your best player for nothing and the arena mess are a drag on the Isles.

 

[luki here]

sounds like an avs fan. if you had ottawas pick you would be rooting for them to do poorly to no?

Definitely not on the main boards. We did have the flames pick last year, so it's not as though i am not familiar with the situtation. It's a matter of conduct.

 

[Jarey Curry]

no i said that Rantanen benefitted from riding shotgun with Mackinnon if youre gonna try and quote me actually do it, dont make **** up and say i said it. i said I think Bellows is better and rantanen only did as well because of Mackinnon. I still believe that

your word means nothing if you cant accurately quote someone and you make stuff up like you just did

Nobody who scored over 80 points in the NHL are someone elses product. Mackinnon scored a lot of his points also because of Mikko Rantanen. Realise this.

 

[BoxOfChocolates]

Kieffer Bellows is better than Rantanen? Jesus Christ

 

[LeapOnOver]

leap your dead wrong
youre s far wrong youre on another planet.

sorokin will come over Ive told you this before and you dont listen. with him its all about money. hes making more in russia than he can here thats all it is. he will wait til all he can be offered is a 1 year ELC THAT WAY HE IS ONE YEAR AWAY FROM BIG MONEY. thats when he will sign, because thats the only way he'll get big money

he can Never be a free agent until he signs a stadard Players contract. the Isles own his rights FOREVER as far as the NHL is concerned unless he is traded or released. he could be 50 and those rights remain theirs. he can never be a free agent without signing an NHL contract, how many times must you be told this until you get it

you have been told this by me time and again for 2 years and you refuse to accept this. youre also wrong about Girard . pulock will outscore girard throughout his career, Girard is and okay player but he will never score 40 points in the NHL pulock will this year. its one thing being younger its another thing assuming that that means a player has skills they dont have

girard benefitted from a total offense attack from shawnagans pure offensive attackjust like Anthony Beauvillier did and just like beauvillier isnt really a 40 goal 90 oint scorer in reality neither are those numbers a real representation of girards abilities

I'm trying to figure out how I could be so wrong I'm on a different planet, yet I have to wonder what planet you are from where defenseman's ability are only gauged by their offensive talent. I've watched Girard play, a lot. For his age he's way more poised than Pulock ever was. I don't care if Girard never scores 40 points. HE's A DEFENSEMAN! I'm worried about Pulock's ability to be nothing more than a Marc Andre Bergeron PP specialist. He needs to take care of his own end first. He's shown a much better ability for that now that's he's older and more experienced. Girard already has that now.

I like that you are always dead set on your convictions and think that your opinion is fact. You ooze confidence. However, you might need to leave some of the fortune telling to the professionals. I leave you with this question to ponder:

As a coach in the NHL do you value a rookie defenseman who is responsible in their own zone but puts up little in the offensive department, or someone who can put up 40 points, but makes their partner run around because they don't really have a grasp on the defensive side of the game. Because guess what, at 20 years old the former is Girard and the latter is Pulock at the same age. Pulock is doing much better defensively, but can't blame Girard for being smart enough to know defense comes first. He'll put up the points once he gets older and more confident with his main duty, the defensive side of the game.

As for Sorokin, he doesn't call me every week to update me like he must be doing with you. Thanks for the information though, I feel much more confident he's coming over after reading your baseless claims.