Rumor: Isles and Sens discussed Duchene to LI trade

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I'm trying to figure out how I could be so wrong I'm on a different planet, yet I have to wonder what planet you are from where defenseman's ability are only gauged by their offensive talent. I've watched Girard play, a lot. For his age he's way more poised than Pulock ever was. I don't care if Girard never scores 40 points. HE's A DEFENSEMAN! I'm worried about Pulock's ability to be nothing more than a Marc Andre Bergeron PP specialist. He needs to take care of his own end first. He's shown a much better ability for that now that's he's older and more experienced. Girard already has that now.

I like that you are always dead set on your convictions and think that your opinion is fact. You ooze confidence. However, you might need to leave some of the fortune telling to the professionals. I leave you with this question to ponder:

As a coach in the NHL do you value a rookie defenseman who is responsible in their own zone but puts up little in the offensive department, or someone who can put up 40 points, but makes their partner run around because they don't really have a grasp on the defensive side of the game. Because guess what, at 20 years old the former is Girard and the latter is Pulock at the same age. Pulock is doing much better defensively, but can't blame Girard for being smart enough to know defense comes first. He'll put up the points once he gets older and more confident with his main duty, the defensive side of the game.

As for Sorokin, he doesn't call me every week to update me like he must be doing with you. Thanks for the information though, I feel much more confident he's coming over after reading your baseless claims.


Didn't pulock have a way better plus minus on a team with a way worse goal differential though? I didn't watch girard at all but this idea that pulock was poor defensively couldn't be more wrong
 

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Cant see Ottawa moving him,after what we paid for him there was likely talk of an extension in place well beforehand...He will resign in Ottawa

Why would he re-sign in Ottawa?

Centres get PAID on the UFA market. Ottawa is a tire fire. Hes in his prime and wants to win

The only reason I can think he might stay in Ottawa is that its close to where he grew up
 

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Why would he re-sign in Ottawa?

Centres get PAID on the UFA market. Ottawa is a tire fire. Hes in his prime and wants to win

The only reason I can think he might stay in Ottawa is that its close to where he grew up

Avs fans have shared a bit of insight into this. Duchene is a loyal guy. The reasons he wanted out of Colorado were more than just the team heading towards what he thought was a rebuild. He's expressed that he'd he open to staying in Ottawa and it would(should) be the last straw if Dorion flips Duchene for anything less than they gave up. The Sens have enough crap to deal with right now without these rumors
 

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no i said that Rantanen benefitted from riding shotgun with Mackinnon if youre gonna try and quote me actually do it, dont make **** up and say i said it. i said I think Bellows is better and rantanen only did as well because of Mackinnon. I still believe that

your word means nothing if you cant accurately quote someone and you make stuff up like you just did

You are mighty optimistic on all things islandaers and mighty pessimistic on pretty much everyone else.

Avs fans have shared a bit of insight into this. Duchene is a loyal guy. The reasons he wanted out of Colorado were more than just the team heading towards what he thought was a rebuild. He's expressed that he'd he open to staying in Ottawa and it would(should) be the last straw if Dorion flips Duchene for anything less than they gave up. The Sens have enough crap to deal with right now without these rumors

I think it may be a bit tough to tell where his head is at. He definitely was a loyal guy. His contract negotiations were always done quickly, quietly, and at a reasonable rate. He was an Avs fan as a kid, and I expect he wanted nothing more than to be the guy that led the team out of the rebuild and into a new era. He put up with a lot of losing to try to reach that goal, but it seems like that 48 point season broke him.

These days he may be looking at the ticking clock and wanting to do all that he can to help a team win a cup while he’s still in his prime, or he may appreciate the faith the Sens put into him and be 100% willing to facilitate a long term deal in Ottawa. I honestly have no idea.
 
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You are mighty optimistic on all things islandaers and mighty pessimistic on pretty much everyone else.
I think it may be a bit tough to tell where his head is at. He definitely was a loyal guy. His contract negotiations were always done quickly, quietly, and at a reasonable rate. He was an Avs fan as a kid, and I expect he wanted nothing more than to be the guy that led the team out of the rebuild and into a new era. He put up with a lot of losing to try to reach that goal, but it seems like that 48 point season broke him.

These days he may be looking at the ticking clock and wanting to do all that he can to help a team win a cup while he’s still in his prime, or he may appreciate the faith the Sens put into him and be 100% willing to facilitate a long term deal in Ottawa. I honestly have no idea



not at all i just look at the data, rantanen was playing next to a guy having an MVP caliber season, the fact that the season before Rantanen failed to break 40 points plays into it. if Rantanen had mote of a track record Id have given him more individual credit but he didnt so its only prudent to attribute a fair measure of his success to Mackinnon, who does have a track record

with regard to Pulock and Girard, both as first year players, neither one has a track record so you can just measure them in the context of their teams, if anything YOU are as you say Mighty optimistic on all things Avalanche

I even brought up Anthony Beauvillier an Islander, to show how Shawnigan Cataracts players had their numbers artificially inflated

how hard is it to see that a player who plays on by far the worst defensive team in the league and has a negative 4 is better than a player who plays on one of the top defensive teams and has a negative 11
 
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Didn't pulock have a way better plus minus on a team with a way worse goal differential though? I didn't watch girard at all but this idea that pulock was poor defensively couldn't be more wrong

I didn't say poor. I said he was inconsistent and this conversation isn't just about last season. I'm talking about Pulock at the same age as Girard. I don't know why age is completely removed from a debate to try prove a point. It's integral in comparing defenseman.
 
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not at all i just look at the data, rantanen was playing next to a guy having an MVP caliber season, the fact that the season before Rantanen failed to break 40 points plays into it. if Rantanen had mote of a track record Id have given him more individual credit but he didnt so its only prudent to attribute a fair measure of his success to Mackinnon, who does have a track record

with regard to Pulock and Girard, both as first year players, neither one has a track record so you can just measure them in the context of their teams, if anything YOU are as you say Mighty optimistic on all things Avalanche

I even brought up Anthony Beauvillier an Islander, to show how Shawnigan Cataracts players had their numbers artificially inflated

how hard is it to see that a player who plays on by far the worst defensive team in the league and has a negative 4 is better than a player who plays on one of the top defensive teams and has a negative 11

Rantanen was a rookie the year before. He’s only 21 today. How’s he supposed to get a track record?

Both first year players, but Girard was 19. Pulock was 23. That’s some pretty important context. Let’s see where Girard is in 4 years.
 

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Rantanen was a rookie the year before. He’s only 21 today. How’s he supposed to get a track record?

Both first year players, but Girard was 19. Pulock was 23. That’s some pretty important context. Let’s see where Girard is in 4 years.

RNH was i8 when he broke in with 52 points, here we are 7 years later and he has never improved

youre assuming facts not in evidence. girard may be better or he may be worse. which is why I say that it is YOU who is Mighty optimistic on all things Avalanche

im just looking at the data as is. you are assuming data that doesnt exist. extrapolation is fine when its based on actual data. but not when you make it up as yo insist on doing

as of right now Id take Pulock simply based on available evidence. if youd rather take Girard based on wishes and dreams go right ahead
 
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I didn't say poor. I said he was inconsistent and this conversation isn't just about last season. I'm talking about Pulock at the same age as Girard. I don't know why age is completely removed from a debate to try prove a point. It's integral in comparing defenseman.
except you are talking out your Azz as you usually do.as far as I know you have never been to a single soundtigers game whereas I have been to over 100 before I moved to florida. from my perspective Pulock was very consistent offensively. and on defense he consistently improved
 
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RNH was i8 when he broke in with 52 points, here we are 7 years later and he has never improved

youre assuming facts not in evidence. girard may be better or he may be worse. which is why I say that it is YOU who is Mighty optimistic on all things Avalanche

im just looking at the data as is. you are assuming data that doesnt exist. extrapolation is fine when its based on actual data. but not when you make it up as yo insist on doing

as of right now Id take Pulock simply based on available evidence. if youd rather take Girard based on wishes and dreams go right ahead

And tell me again how that data looks when comparing Rantanen and Bellows?
 

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Then why didn't Gabriel Landeskog score 84 points too?
because he merely pretty much doubled his prior years point total as well. Im not gonna give either Landeskog or Rantanen the credit that Mackinnon earned

i could just as easily ask you why didnt Rantanen score 97 points? its obvious who drove that line. Nathan Mackinnon. Landeskog and Rantanen we just along for the ride
 
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except you are talking out your Azz as you usually do.as far as I know you have never been to a single soundtigers game whereas I have been to over 100 before I moved to florida. from my perspective Pulock was very consistent offensively. and on defense he consistently improved

So now you are comparing an AHL Pulock to an NHL Girard. Really, you need to stop now. You are embarrassing yourself and other Islander fans. I think the sun there is frying your brain.

I do think Pulock's defense improved every season, but so will Girard's and his at age 20 is better than Pulock's at age 20 so simple logic states he has the propensity to be better defensively. I don't know what evidence I can provide you other than THE HISTORY OF THE NHL to tell you that defenseman usually start out focusing on defense and the offense comes later.
 

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because he merely pretty much doubled his prior years point total as well. Im not gonna give either Landeskog or Rantanen the credit that Mackinnon earned

i could just as easily ask you why didnt Rantanen score 97 points? its obvious who drove that line. Nathan Mackinnon. Landeskog and Rantanen we just along for the ride

Would any player in the league score 84 points on that line? If we put Ryan Pulock on that line, how many points would he score?
 

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And tell me again how that data looks when comparing Rantanen and Bellows?
im not impressed by rantanen in his first full year he had 38 points and was a negative 25

Im pretty sure bellows will beat that in his first full season rantanen in his 9 game trial had 0 points and was a negative 7. to me Rantanen was basically a creation of MacKinnon this year

Landeskog doubled his output so did Rantanen, but it was MacKinnon who did the driving. or are you saying Rantanen would put up 84 points with Soderberg?
 
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im not impressed by rantanen in his first full year he had 38 points and was a negative 25

Im pretty sure bellows will beat that in his first full season rantanen in his 9 game trial had 0 points and was a negative 7. to me Rantanen was basically a creation of MacKinnon this year

Landeskog doubled his output so did Rantanen, but it was MacKinnon who did the driving. or are you saying Rantanen would put up 84 points with Soderberg?

Well, this is just insanity.
 

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because he merely pretty much doubled his prior years point total as well. Im not gonna give either Landeskog or Rantanen the credit that Mackinnon earned

i could just as easily ask you why didnt Rantanen score 97 points? its obvious who drove that line. Nathan Mackinnon. Landeskog and Rantanen we just along for the ride

Yeah you know absolutely nothing about that line other than point totals. Thanks for providing your opinion. Your expert uninformed analysis is greatly appreciated. Maybe next you can enlighten Avs fans about what it's like to watch a team find a way to have an incredibly unlucky 48 point season and then not get the 1st overall pick.

I hope you get bombarded by Leafs fans telling you how great it is to watch Tavares.

Having an equal amount of arrogance and ignorance is not going to serve you well.
 

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So now you are comparing an AHL Pulock to an NHL Girard. Really, you need to stop now. You are embarrassing yourself and other Islander fans. I think the sun there is frying your brain.

I do think Pulock's defense improved every season, but so will Girard's and his at age 20 is better than Pulock's at age 20 so simple logic states he has the propensity to be better defensively. I don't know what evidence I can provide you other than THE HISTORY OF THE NHL to tell you that defenseman usually start out focusing on defense and the offense comes later.
then stop posting drivel,

girard is not now and will never be as good as pulock. lets revisit this in 3 years and you can admit you were wrong and didnt know what you were talking about then, just like you keep saying Sorokin will never come over. you embarass yourself because you make proclamations that you know nothing about
 
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then stop posting drivel,

girard is not now and will never be as good as pulock. lets revisit this in 3 years and you can admit you were wrong and didnt know what you were talking about then, just like you keep saying Sorokin will never come over. you embarass yourself because you make proclamations that you know nothing about

The irony of that final "sentence".

You don't know anything about Girard yet claim to have absolute knowledge of how his career unfolds. Fantastic.
 

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