Is Zetterberg a Hall of Fame player?

[Loseipeg]

I think the fact that a lot of people here are debating whether defensive forwards should get into the Hall or not is a huge sign of respect to how good Z was defensively.

He was so good defensively we argue 2 way players and overlook he outperformed Datsyuk offensively their playoff careers while being their top shutdown guy during their biggest runs. Crosby was treated like a little boy in the 08 and 09 finals because of Z.

Datsyuk: 157gp 42g 71a 113p (0.72 ppg)
Zetterberg: 137gp 57g 63a 120p (0.88 ppg)

Datsyuk being bad offensively in the playoffs isnt a basis for zetterberg being hof worthy lol.
Highest hart finish was 10th. One cup despite playing with lidstrom. Not an impressive career at all.

 

[newfy]

Hes a guy that if yu just look at numbers, hes fairly borderline. But if you actually watched him and knew how he was viewed around the league combined with his international play, you know he'll get in. That Conn Smythe combined with captain of an O6 team and his level of play at his peak will get him in.

 

[MLSE]

Datsyuk being bad offensively in the playoffs isnt a basis for zetterberg being hof worthy lol.

No, a 6 year prorated prime of 86 points over 82 games and in that time, winning a conn smythe and leading your team in points while shutting down other teams top lines on your way back to back stanley cup finals during that prime is what is HOF worthy.

Did you even watch him play in his prime? (If you're under like.. 23 years, you really have no say in this, not that you are but anyone that is) Like I really feel people that say he isn't in the HOF probably didnt watch him play that much or even at all because I can't understand how he wouldn't be a shoe in. Very easy choice for the HOF. I'm a Leafs fan from Windsor Ontario, I despise the wings. Zetterberg was amazing in his prime. 2008 and 2009 playoffs he was an absolute mad man, some of the best playoff hockey I've seen a guy play.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

When you find a number of elite players talking about how John Madden was so damn good defensively and made things so much more difficult for them when he was on the ice, get back to me. When you find Madden's first vote for end-of-season NHL All-Star, let me know as well

When you then find guys raving about Madden's leadership, presence, poise, and intangibles and how they saw him as a key part of the locker room and that everyone saw him sacrificing his talent for the good of the team and inspiring others to step it up and the deep respect they had for him, ... again, let me know.


Again, the game of hockey is not all about offense. I didn't realize the Hockey Hall of Fame was only for offensive players and a handful of goalies, everyone else stay the hell out! If someone was truly outstanding on the defensive side of the game, why not find a spot for them?

Because they had "pedestrian levels of offense?" There are guys who piled up great offensive numbers who had pedestrian levels of defense; should we start shuffling those guys out of the HoF, too? Because I can name a dozen guys who were pretty crappy defensively but got into the HoF on offense and reputation and the excessive hype that went with it.


I've got bad news for you: Carbonneau should probably be in there and probably goes in down the road after the current backlog and older guys just retiring or about to retire get worked through. Lehtinen may well find his way in as well, especially after you consider his play in international tournaments. If Kesler's body hadn't given out, he'd probably be in the discussion too. [And I'm talking starting in 2012, not just recently.] Ramsay was [and still is] underappreciated, mainly because he played on Buffalo teams that were never top-tier and never went far. Peca is borderline.


Start naming them and how they were instrumental, I'll tell you why they're not in.


The fact that you mention him as a defensive specialist just helps make my point. he wasn't just a defensive specialist, he was the defensive specialist. Again, go read what other players who played against him had to say. They thought a hell of a lot more highly of him than you do.


I think both of them were fairly decent defensive forwards, and neither one was half as good as Bob Gainey defensively.

There's a few reasons Bob Gainey landed on the NHL's "100 Greatest of All Time" list. You should read up to try and figure it out. Or, claim that hundreds of people who cover the sport and watched him play and played against him have no idea what they're talking about, and you know so much better from the comfort of your keyboard despite apparently having never watched him play at all.

The list that put Toews on, but kept Malkin off.

Massive pile of bullshit. Can't believe you'd use that as a basis for such a weaksauce argument.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Hes not , Hall of Famer should be for HoF players.

This is so low for HoF

 

[Evincar]

Hes not , Hall of Famer should be for HoF players.

This is so low for HoF

Andreychuk just made it in 2 years ago and he's several tiers below Zetterberg as a player.

 

[TryamkinPleaseReturn]

I would say he's right on the border, the same as Naslund and Hossa. All are good enough, and it wouldn't surprise me if they all get in eventually.

 

[newfy]

Hes not , Hall of Famer should be for HoF players.

This is so low for HoF

This gets said whenever people are talked about for the HHOF. The hockey hall of fame is basically the hall of really good. Zetterberg is much better and had more of an impact within the league than a lot of people in the Hall.

 

[senators101]

Borderline. He might not get in but he'll somehow still be considered generational.

 

[ijuka]

Well, he's better than Marleau so yes.

 

[Los merengues]

Last Time I checked no he is not.

Will he Be? Very very very easily

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Massive pile of bull****. Can't believe you'd use that as a basis for such a weaksauce argument.

And I can't believe you're ignoring what his opponents, other coaches, and people who covered the game in that period of time had to say [and still say] about his play and impact on the ice.

 

[Marky9er]

Everytime this question is asked I shake my head. Doesn't matter the player.

Can Zetterberg's career be summarized on a plaque and be of interest to fans of the future? Yeah, sure. Who cares.

 

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Some people talk about the Hall of Fame as if only four people should be inducted every 15 years. It's four players a year. This means between veteran retirements and great seasons and playoff runs by younger players, you should be able to pick four players each year who have earned an induction, whether immediately or down the road. If you think four players out of 620 earning the right is too many, I don't know what to say. Unless they increase it to five or six player inductions a year, it's only going to get rarer when Seattle enters the league. Five times as many players makes it five times harder to be the best or among them. It gets more and more like an unattainable Mount Olympus each year, but people act like it's easier to get in than ever. It just isn't true.

Yes, I think Zetterberg is a Hall of Famer. He was the best player on the ice in both of the Detroit-Pittsburgh Cup Finals. The first decade after the lockout, he's 11th in regular season scoring, 2nd in playoff scoring. Over the span of his career in total (02-03 to 17-18), he's 6th in scoring. 2006 gold medal. Sixteen year career times four players a year means there would have to be sixty four better players of the era than Henrik Zetterberg? I think he's at least 10-20th in his time, and that is a Hall of Famer.

Imagine you had a job where each year, one guy out of 150 was put on the wall of fame. The next year, another guy out of 150 got put on the wall. The third year, whoa, too many people are going on the wall, we got to slow this down.