Is this what you call hockey Canada?

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  1. SChan*

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    10 minutes into the first period Forsberg got a boarding by Rob Niedermayer (that gave him 2+10 minutes) that has possibly given him a whiplash injury. A specialist today said it is posssible that Peter has got permanently marked for life, and that the hit was very dangerous. Forsberg complains that his back is hurting alot.

    Here is the sequence caught on pictures:

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    Forsberg's parents react to the hit:

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    Shown Horcof comment of the hit:

    It was big by taking rob taking care of Forsberg. It turned the game around for us.


    Wow real classy here! Why do they need to be so dirty in order to win?
     
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    Those type of hits from behind are bad for the game...
     
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    There bad for the game but its a tough game I think you need to get over it.
     
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    If that had happened in the NHL Niedermayer would have gotten the crap beaten out of him for that hit. What makes me mad is that this is not the first time Canada has pulled this kind of stuff in international competition. I remember at least Todd Bertuzzi and Owen Nolan checking guys straight into the boards from behind in the late 90's. While you have to admire the heart of Canadian teams, there is something wrong with a hockey culture that accepts this kind of behaviour. If you're having a though time hunt down the oppositions best player??? :shakehead
     
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    Seen hits like this 100's of time. As far as I am concerned, it's part of the game, unfortunate yes, but still part. Forsberg should have positioned himself better, it's Hockey 101. "Never turn your back, especially when your 3 to 4 feet away from the boards"

    Get over yourself.
     
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    The hit was pretty brutal...and unfortunately Forsberg was playing hurt to begin with, so that could not have helped. At the same time though, the game did not turn on that hit at all. Niedermayer was sent off for 12 minutes, Forsberg continued to play a regular shift for the rest of the game, and I think that Sweden was still winning at that time and only increased their lead afterwards. Those types of hits should not be part of the game, but unfortunately, I think we've all seen a lot worse.
     
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    and it's really like those hits only come from Canadians

    while unfortunate, this type of thing happens all the time.

    this thread is nothing more than a bitter loss thread. you should try and act like your fellow members of this board that showed some class upon the outcome.... especially when you preach class in your post.
     
  8. Dave is a killer

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    I've also seen this hit many times, if you don't want to get hit from behind...then don't go into the high traffic areas
     
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    I can tell you that a LOT of people in Sweden are upset that Rob Niedermayer wasn´t carried out on a stretcher...

    I´m not joking. It was a dirty hit and it should have rendered him a 5 min boarding penalty.
     
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    I don't condone the hit, but if P.J. Axelsson did the same thing to Dany Heatley, and Sweden ended up winning the gold, you would see the Swedish position do a 180.
     
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    Bothersome when people take these things to extreme.

    a) No one can argue that the hit was clean.. it wasn't.. it was far from clean. Like someone else said, if it had happened in the NHL Niedermayer would have been part of the board-advertisement.. simply put, he wouldn't have dared it in the NHL.

    b) To say that it's part of the game, live with it, is rather disgusting. This shouldn't be a part of the game. The game is rough yes, but every player with the least bit brain should realize that it's not only dangerous, it's incredibly stupid to go through with a hit like that. Just because the chance is given doesn't mean you should make the hit. If you can stay away from goaltenders outside the crease you should damn well stay away from people with their back against you 3 feet from the boards.

    c) On the other hand, saying that this is the way Canada plays hockey is just ignorant. People are so quick to judge a whole team from the actions of one player that it's sad. This was the act of one stupid moron, not the whole Canadian team.

    Finally, there's no question this didn't turn the game around. Sure, Sweden scored once more after this but basically quit playing hockey. No one stood up against Canada, while Canada instead gained momentum and energy from taking out the best player in the world. Forsberg hardly completed a pass after that hit, and well.. Lidstrom didn't all night :P.
     
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    Forsberg can't honstely say that he has never been hit like that in the NHL. As much as I hate those hits, they happen very often and it's nothing out of the ordinary.

    And I've seen much worse "checking from behind" incidents anyway. The fact that Forsberg might be injured tells you nothing about the hit. You can get injured by falling off a chair, but most of the time you just don't.
     
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    But if Axelson had done that to Heatley, Canada would have gotten pumped up and played better, and won the game, probably 7-3 instead of 5-3. The problem is that the Swedes got scared, and choked. Swedish fans should worry more about their lack of heart, and their folding under adversity, blowing a 3-1 lead, than a questionable play where the guy should have got 5 minutes instead of 2. Believe me, the Swedes would not have scored on the PP even if it was 10 minutes.

    Talent is so even these days, it comes down to heart, determination, and effort, and that is why Canada is winning these tournaments.

    How else can a superstar like Forsberg get outplayed by 3rd line NHL scrubs like Horcoff, Nieds, and Cooke ?

    I like the pictures, by the way, the "Foppa Floppa" :lol:

    Now, stop :cry: and try to learn a thing or 2 about winning hockey from your Canadian masters.

    Maybe you'll show up for the big games some day.

    The Finns may not be as talented as Canada or the Swedes, but at least they play with heart and determination.
     
  14. Dave is a killer

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    http://www.neutralzonehockey.com/lemieux.htm ... This hit takes the cake, period.
     
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    Canada really deserved to win, but the hit on Forsberg wasn't beautiful. Rob Niedermayer shouldn't be on the ice more for that game. The worst is, Shawn Horcoff said it was good Nieds took the hit, 'cause it turned the game in the canadiens favour. That's right it turned the game, but it's not right with a hit like this.

    Look at Scott Niedermayer. He had an PERFECT hit on Andreas Johansson. A clean hard hit. I wish some swedes could have done the same. Respect.
     
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    Its the european style of play. They turn there backs like that so that they don't get hit and protect the puck (Forsberg does this alot in NHL to control the puck, and does it quite well) but it leads to getting hitting from behind because in Canada we are taught to brace for the hit and take the check, not turn from it.

    It is a difference of styles that leads to such unfortunate hits, not cheapness or dirtyness on a players part. Fact is all players at some put have slashed someone, hit someone, etc.
     
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    That is actually a big problem in Europe, at least in Sweden. Our players get sent off or receive 2+10 in the penalty box if they try to hit them so many forwards use this techniqe with success.

    The risk of being injured is high, no doubt about that.
     
  18. chicpea*

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    Look, the hit was bad, I thought so right away, and *Team Canada* paid for it with a pk. But to say that Canada won because of a single hit on Foppa is ridiculous. If you rely on one or two players to such an extent, then your team, or any team, is in trouble.

    As for Canadians being dirty, well, that's just an outright lie. Of course, every nation has their Marchments, their Suters, their Samuelssons and their Tikanens. It's just as much a generalisation if I were to say "all swedes are highly skilled," which, of course, is also an outright lie. That said, I like "the Swedes" on and off the ice on both a personal and a hockey level. I especially like the Swedish players who adopt a more "canadian style" effectively, e.g. Ohlund.

    Anyway, I thought it was a great, tense game, but the Swedish Defence was sorely lacking in muscle and execution, as evidenced by Nylander's own-goal - all started by Cooke's awesome forecheck.
     
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    There's no question it was a dumb hit, but given Forsberg's track record it looked rather embellished. Around the NHL he's known to be a guy who overracts to these types of things. When you turn your back and your head is down you can't expect to be immune from anyone wanting the puck. I saw this countless times in the tournament where the Euros will see a check coming and quickly turn so that if they do get hit, the Canadian will look like a dirty player and get a penalty.

    There's nothing wrong with going after the other team's best player. No, he's not the best player in the world, but they sent Sweden a message. Did they try and send one back? Nope, and that's the problem with European hockey. They refuse to hit and in these types of games they just get flattened all the time. It's no wonder Canada came back from that. With all the punishment dealt and getting none back, they had tons of emotion and just took over.

    I really doubt that hit caused any serious damage...I've seen much much worse that hasn't had any major effects. Sweden can complain all they want but they were beaten fair and square.
     
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    It's pretty much the same in Finland as well.
     
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    What's with all these Swedes complaining?

    Forsberg himself is a VERY dirty player.
     
  22. SChan*

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    ****! Canada = Bunch of dirty players. Just Look at the reaction from Forsberg's mom.
     
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    sigh, this thread is on probation. :)
     
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    Simmer down there boy. As someone else wrote, there are dirty players of every nationality. Peters mom should be quite used to see her boy flying all over the place by now.
     
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    I am disgusted by the acceptance of these hits.

    They ALL should be called, all should get suspended. Why do people keep saying "yeah it's not nice but it happens all the time". Yeah, it happens all the time if your reaction to it is :dunno:

    Your reaction should be more like :mad: and we would possibly prevent some serious injuries. Players are performers, they perform how the audience wants them to perform. If everyone would BOO on hits like that, if people would stop accepting it, players and leagues would have to change their ways.

    And this is coming from an unbiased point of view, who was happy to see Sweden lose.

    :shakehead
     
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