Is there argument to be made that the Jets(On Paper) have a Top 10 Defence?

[StatisticsAddict99]

With keeping Enstrom, signing Kulikov and having a deadly Right side is there argument for this? Please give your thoughts below and vote in the poll section, Thanks.

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[garret9]

Before accounting for injuries:
Yes.

After accounting for injuries:
Hard to know for sure.

 

[Bristo]

With keeping Enstrom, signing Kulikov and having a deadly Right side is there argument for this? Please give your thoughts below and vote in the poll section, Thanks.

Sure, why not?

Morrissey - Trouba
Kulikov - Byfuglien
Enstrom - Myers
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Are there 11 teams that have a better blue line? I'd be hard pressed to name them, but I'm not THAT familiar with every team in the NHL.

I guess the thing that might come into play is the injury bug again, we always seem to have something happen. When we have to lean on Buff for 30 minutes a game he turns into a disaster, the same will be true for most players, and on top of that our depth beyond our top 6 has been a steep drop off. But if we ice the team we want to ice for 82 games it's pretty tough to think of more than 10 teams that have more skill in 6 D men than the Jets. Man, even 5 teams?

 

[broinwhyteridge]

Depends on injuries and bad coaching.

 

[Rheged]

Top-10 in name recognition for sure!

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

With keeping Enstrom, signing Kulikov and having a deadly Right side is there argument for this? Please give your thoughts below and vote in the poll section, Thanks.

You have a couple of maybe's there but I think it might be more important how Myers rebounds and how well Buff plays with less TOI. We are not top 10 with bad Buff and bad Myers even if Toby and Kulikov play well.

 

[Whileee]

I think they are top ten. The development of Trouba and Morrissey has really elevated the quality, because D like Buff, Enstrom and Myers are still good, but now in 2nd and even third pairing roles.

 

[Whileee]

The Jets can probably sustain through a couple of key injuries better than the majority of teams, too.

 

[Whileee]

Would be interesting to do this for forwards and goalies, too.

My take...

Forwards... Top 5
Defense... Top 10
Goalies... Top 20

 

[broinwhyteridge]

Would be interesting to do this for forwards and goalies, too.

My take...

Forwards... Top 5
Defense... Top 10
Goalies... Top 20

Coaching... Top 31

 

[kylbaz]

Pretty decent group but Buff's defensive abilities brings the overall group down.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

Pretty decent group but Buff's defensive abilities brings the overall group down.

Good thing his offense typically makes up for it, especially if his icetime can be contained this year.

 

[TheRocketFlash]

IMO, The teams with a better top 6 (top to bottom) than the Jets on paper are:

Nashville
Anaheim
Minnesota

About Equal - NYR, Wash, STL, Columbus

 

[garret9]

Pretty decent group but Buff's defensive abilities brings the overall group down.

No way.

Buff's defensive choices, not abilities, hurts his impact relative to it's potential. I have no doubt about that.

But, he's still one of the Jets better defenders, so he's pulling the average up, not down.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

If all manage 60 +games, and Toby and Kulikov bring their levels up to their averaged levels, yes.

For me the biggest wildcard is Myers. If he can manage a 70 game season, we could have one of the best Ds in the entire league.

 

[kylbaz]

No way.

Buff's defensive choices, not abilities, hurts his impact relative to it's potential. I have no doubt about that.

But, he's still one of the Jets better defenders, so he's pulling the average up, not down.

If you think he's one of our better defenders we are in trouble this year.

I agree about choices. But there's no way he makes the average up. He's an absolute terrible defender. Anyone with a bit of hockey sense can see mistake after mistake out there. From poor pinching (which he's improved on) to simply not covering the guy in front of the net.

 

[garret9]

If you think he's one of our better defenders we are in trouble this year.

I agree about choices. But there's no way he makes the average up. He's an absolute terrible defender. Anyone with a bit of hockey sense can see mistake after mistake out there. From poor pinching (which he's improved on) to simply not covering the guy in front of the net.

As a NHL coach once told me:
For 95% of the game, he's one of the best defenders in the league.
For 5% of the game, he's one of the worst.

I think you got the trade off wrong.

The results suggest the same thing, that you are right about his defensive issues, but wrong about the trade offs:

 

[Peggy]

Would be interesting to do this for forwards and goalies, too.

My take...

Forwards... Top 5
Defense... Top 10
Goalies... Top 20

Forwards top 10
Defense top 10
Goalie top 30
Coaching top 30

 

[kylbaz]

As a NHL coach once told me:
For 95% of the game, he's one of the best defenders in the league.
For 5% of the game, he's one of the worst.

I think you got the trade off wrong.

The results suggest the same thing, that you are right about his defensive issues, but wrong about the trade offs:

I never disagreed with the trade off.

In that 5% when he's the worst it has lead to numerous goals, more so from just flat out laziness. But I think that's a fair statement. When he's good he's great, and when he's bad he's really bad. I mean you can be an average or below average defender and you just get 'beat'. But his nine times out of ten is from flat out laziness or stupidity, totally out of position, not tying the guy up standing right beside him, etc.

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

If you guys found this interesting and think I should do Forwards I will.. any Ideas how I should poll the next one?

 

[LimpDave]

Would be interesting to do this for forwards and goalies, too.

My take...

Forwards... Top 5
Defense... Top 10
Goalies... Top 20

Agreed, although to give us top 5 offense we would have to weight the value of potential and depth very high...maybe safer to say top 10.

 

[kylbaz]

If you guys found this interesting and think I should do Forwards I will.. any Ideas how I should poll the next one?

Just curious, why do you feel the need to have to start new threads all the time?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Coaching... Top 31 32

fixed it

 

[Dzonna]

IMO, The teams with a better top 6 (top to bottom) than the Jets on paper are:

Nashville
Anaheim
Minnesota

About Equal - NYR, Wash, STL, Columbus

This although I always question NYR

 

[Neuf]

Forwards for sure in terms of goals for. Defense I said no, but I'm not sure which team I would take higher