PensPlz
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My first guess is that Sid has the most input into who he plays with and might not want BB there, but who knows. A healthy team would shed more light onto this... and I don't think we're going to have that for a while.
My first guess is that Sid has the most input into who he plays with and might not want BB there, but who knows. A healthy team would shed more light onto this... and I don't think we're going to have that for a while.
Why in the world would that be your first guess? I will never understand why some believe that Crosby is the one making the lineup decisions (while there's no evidence) when there is plenty of examples of Bylsma making poor or stubborn choices.
Did Crosby tell Dan to play Glass as his right wing last night after Dupuis went down? I highly doubt it.
Crosby made it a point to work out with Beau one off-season and has done nothing but rave about his talent and skill. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Sid would make it a point to say he didn't want to play with him.
Speculation over why they stick Iginla into a LW position instead of playing RW with Sid (instead of Duper) and why we haven't seen the insanely successful Kuntiz-Malkin-Neal line or even any traces of it since Sid coming back.Why in the world would that be your first guess? I will never understand why some believe that Crosby is the one making the lineup decisions (while there's no evidence) when there is plenty of examples of Bylsma making poor or stubborn choices.
Speculation over why they stick Iginla into a LW position instead of playing RW with Sid (instead of Duper) and why we haven't seen the insanely successful Kuntiz-Malkin-Neal line or even any traces of it since Sid coming back.
I don't see how anything you said points more towards Crosby making the decision than Bylsma.
Because I don't get why Bylsma would get a contract extension otherwise after another disapointing loss in the playoffs I don't have anything negative to say if it were Sid saying he wanted Kunitz and Dupers on his line and no one else. It would just explain a lot.
Wouldn't the much more logical answer be this?
Seriously. Crosby said he'd be happy playing with anyone while Bylsma literally promised Dupuis to stay on the first line. (And we did see KMN last year for 2.5 games in the playoffs before Dan randomly changed the lines back because of one bad period).
I don't see how anything you said points more towards Crosby making the decision than Bylsma.
The only real reason is Bennett's inexperience. Even though Bylsma loves the KCD line to death, I would have to think that by next season Bennett will no longer be considered a tenderfoot in the lineup and will be given serious consideration to play in Dupuis' spot on that line, as long as he keeps up the good work.
Would like to see what people's thoughts on a full time roster looking like this would be because I would love to see it for at least a month.
Malkin - Crosby - Bennett
Neal - Jokinen - Kunitz
Would like to see what people's thoughts on a full time roster looking like this would be because I would love to see it for at least a month.
Malkin - Crosby - Bennett
Neal - Jokinen - Kunitz
Megna - Sutter - Dupuis
Glass - Adams/Vitale - Adams/Vitale
Letang - Scuderi
Orpik - Martin
Niskanen -Maata
Fleury/Vokoun
Would love to see Orpik and Niskanen moved later for a better playmaking #2C. (Wishful thinking) Despres and Bortuzzo come up full time.
Hilarious that people want 8 goal Jokinen on the 3rd line with 0goal (3 career) Bennett on the 1st/2nd.
As far as lines go...stomach this:
Kunitz-Crosby-Iginla
Bennett-Malkin-Crosby
Morrow-Jokinen-Dupuis
Cooke-Sutter-Kennedy
is what we could have had in last year's playoffs. Glass and Adams saw time...Iginla, despite being a HHOF RW...played LW. Line combos are NOT DB's strong suit.
I would like to see Bennett or Megna get some time with Kunitz-Sid just to see what's there. Ideally:
Jokinen-Crosby-Bennett/Megna
Kunitz-Malkin-Neal
is what I'd like to see tried for a game. However, the bottom line is, we need a Top 6 wing.
Kunitz/Dupuis-Crosby-Wing
Jokinen/Kunitz-Malkin-Neal
Bennett-Sutter-Dupuis/Jokinen
is what we need to roll into the playoffs with. Ideally, to me at least, Kulemin and Ott are holding the fort down on the 3rd line.
Disco, is that you?
Maybe people realize Bennett has top 6 pedigree, that's why. His skillset is wasted on the third line.
Okay. Bennett over Jokinen. Justify it.
In the 112* games he's spent at any level above the BCHL, Bennett scored a whopping 23 goals (most of these in the WCHA).
To put in perspective how low that is, Kunitz scored 66 in 110 (CCHA). Dupuis scored 80 in 118 (Q...but he also outpaced Bennett in terms of goalscoring in his rookie season in the minors).
You mentioned Hossa. Hossa is big-time apples and oranges. He barely spent any post-draft time in any developmental league, but doubed Bennett's goal production in less than half the games. Hossa has a feel for how to beat a goaltender that Kunitz will never have and Bennett will certainly never have.
Now, numbers across the WHL/QMJHL/CCHA aren't going to be exact. But if a guy is likely to be a goalscorer in the NHL, he's gonna score goals wherever he is before that (assuming the league he's in before that isn't trash, like the BCHL).
Bennett's got a lot going for him. Wins battles, smart, covers a lot of ground, can walk defenders.
But he's not a finisher, has never been a finisher and is unlikely to ever be a finisher. This is the reason they aren't going to put him with the sport's best passer. It would have been like putting Adam Oates on a line with Steve Yzerman. Or Scott Gomez with Joe Sakic. Just wouldn't have made any sense.
*included Bennett's NHL numbers because I went by years not playing in a trash league up to about 100 games. If I drop those out, the pattern doesn't substantially change.
You read the top 6 pedigree part, right?
I think it's hilarious you're comparing the number of goals between the two. Seems the only way you'd like Bennett is if he were born with 10 goals scored already.
The problem is, I'm starting to think the Penguins organization thinks like you do in regards to their young talent.
No, its just laughable that when the Penguins actually do get a Top 6 capable and proven winger, you want to put him on the 3rd him. Yeah, put our leading (tied for) scoring winger who's shown chemistry and finishing ability with Malkin on the third line.
I'm not trying to screw Bennett out of Top 6 time...but come on, you're nuts for wanting him in the Top 6 and Jokinen on the 3rd line. If there is anyone that needs out of the Top 6 right now, it's Dupuis, not Jokinen.
At times, people here go too far the other way when considering where and when to play the youth. People were all for Tangradi being shoved down the Top 6 throat and he was terrible...but people ignored it. People wanted the same thing with Staal. Now people want Bennett in the Top 6 for the pure sake of having youth in the Top 6. Such delusion that people are willing to ignore the fact that Jokinen is our top scoring winger.
Neal is back now. I'd sooner put BB with Geno and Neal, they could use his puck possession and playmaking. Maybe get Geno going with goal scoring. I'd move JJ to play with Sid and Kunitz, and play Dupuis on the third line.
That being said, I am fine with BB playing with Sutter too.
No, its just laughable that when the Penguins actually do get a Top 6 capable and proven winger, you want to put him on the 3rd line. Yeah, put our leading (tied for) scoring winger who's shown chemistry and finishing ability with Malkin on the third line.
I'm not trying to screw Bennett out of Top 6 time...but come on, you're nuts for wanting him in the Top 6 and Jokinen on the 3rd line. If there is anyone that needs out of the Top 6 right now, it's Dupuis, not Jokinen.
At times, people here go too far the other way when considering where and when to play the youth. People were all for Tangradi being shoved down the Top 6 throat and he was terrible...but people ignored it. People wanted the same thing with Staal. Now people want Bennett in the Top 6 for the pure sake of having youth in the Top 6. Such delusion that people are willing to ignore the fact that Jokinen is our top scoring winger.
Maybe Tangradi just sucked. There's been no indication Bennett will be the same. Poor comparison on your part. As for Staal, he did pretty well as the 2C while Crosby was dealing with the concussion issues.
And where the hell do you get that Jokinen has shown chemistry with Malkin? They've done almost nothing 5-on-5.