Is Stevens hit on lindros a suspension in todays nhl?

[Mr Atoz*]

I think the Campbell hit on Umberger is the best example of a Stevens-like hit but without targeting the head as Stevens did. I don't think Umberger noticed the fine distinction, though.

The Campbell hit on Umberger was clean because Umberger came to Campbell, not the other way around.

 

[Epsilon]

One thing (this may have been mentioned already) that was different about Lindros compared to most of hits recently that have drawn attention is that Lindros actually stickhandled and even led the rush with his head down. Whereas a lot of headshots lately have involved a player being nailed while watching a pass, or while extended out from making a play or stretching for a puck, with Lindros he often had his head down for 5 or more seconds at a time looking at the puck on his stick or between his legs. For instance on the Kasparitis hit, Lindros is carrying the puck vertically up ice; his head might have actually been the piece of a Flyers player that was closest to the Penguins' goal.

 

[Gobo]

Scott Stevens was allowed to get away with hits no one else was allowed to get away with. His elbows and forearms were called shoulders. His deliberate hits to the head were mystically clean. He feigned shock and surprise when his identical premeditated hits to the head caused injuries. He was one of the dirtiest players of his time. Yet some defend him like he was their son.

The guy had like 7 elbowing minors in his entire damn career.

 

[Rhiessan71]

Scott Stevens was allowed to get away with hits no one else was allowed to get away with. His elbows and forearms were called shoulders. His deliberate hits to the head were mystically clean. He feigned shock and surprise when his identical premeditated hits to the head caused injuries. He was one of the dirtiest players of his time. Yet some defend him like he was their son.

Gimme a break dude.
Potvin was the same and there was this other great open ice hitter named Wendel Clark.
All three of these guys delivered text book hits, arms in, feet on the ice, aim for center chest and if you feel the hits are wrong now, then it's the text book that needs changing my friend or as Cherry, in one of his more lucid moments, called out the hardness of the newer equipment.
When Stevens delivered most of his hits, his shoulder pads were actually padded.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I really don't get the crosby comparisons. Crosby is the nhl's golden boy. Lindros was still the dark sheep of the league, even in 2000.

Nevertheless, he was the anointed "Next One". He played the Lebron to Crosby's Kobe, but whatever. Remember when Mario and Lindros talked for a moment in the handshake line and the media proclaimed it a passing of the torch? Taking out a player of that stature with a head-hit is a suspendable offense in this league.

 

[Briere Up There*]

Due to the fact he was a big star in a big market I say yeah. Wussification of hockey but whatever.

Off topic slightly, Eric Lindros I think I speak for everyone when I say: keep your head up, idiot. What a waste.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

So as long as I'm in front of a guy I can direct my shoulder into his head/face and it's legal? I just don't think it would fly with the focus on headshots right now.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that would be exactly why it would be legal.

North-south, big shoulder hit. No elbow, no blindside.

 

[Rob]

I don't think the Kariya hit would have been legal.

 

[EventHorizon]

Not a blindside hit.
Not late.
Didn't leave his feat.
All shoulder.

Not illegal by today's rules.

Perfectly stated. Virtually all of Stevens' hits were perfectly legal and hits like that should remain so. I have no problem removing blindside head shots from the game but what Stevens did to Lindros was fine. Skate with your head up. It's one of the first things you're taught.

Scott Stevens was allowed to get away with hits no one else was allowed to get away with. His elbows and forearms were called shoulders. His deliberate hits to the head were mystically clean. He feigned shock and surprise when his identical premeditated hits to the head caused injuries. He was one of the dirtiest players of his time. Yet some defend him like he was their son.

Pure fiction.

 

[Big Phil]

Scott Stevens was allowed to get away with hits no one else was allowed to get away with. His elbows and forearms were called shoulders. His deliberate hits to the head were mystically clean. He feigned shock and surprise when his identical premeditated hits to the head caused injuries. He was one of the dirtiest players of his time. Yet some defend him like he was their son.

Like I've said before, in 2011 the myth that Stevens was a dirty player has now sadly become the majority. His elbows and forearms were called shoulders? I don't get it. At the time there wasn't a GM in the league who would have passed on Stevens on their team. Somewhere along the way it is believed that Stevens has become Matt Cooke rather than the hard hitting-run over your own grandmother-win at all costs-intimidating Stevens that those who were around remember that THIS was his reputation then.

 

[Big Phil]

The guy had like 7 elbowing minors in his entire damn career.

Yeah but over a 22 year career that equals an elbowing penalty once every three years! Vicious, vicious player I'd say. Don't bother bringing facts into a discussion like this, only make a thread if it labels Stevens as a dirty player.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Depends on the participants. If it's Matt Cooke on Sid Crosby, definitely. If it's Sid Crosby on Matt Cooke then no. (Forget that they are both on the same team for the sake of example)

The league is inconsistent with it's discipline and always has been. Who the heck knows what they'd call? That's just the way things roll.

Scott Stevens was allowed to get away with hits no one else was allowed to get away with. His elbows and forearms were called shoulders. His deliberate hits to the head were mystically clean. He feigned shock and surprise when his identical premeditated hits to the head caused injuries. He was one of the dirtiest players of his time. Yet some defend him like he was their son.

I think you're going a little overboard here. I don't remember any elbows from this guy. But he was definitely a headhunter. He would crush guys in a vulnerable position and leave them writhing on the ice.

I don't think the league can afford this anymore. We've already lost one generational talent (Lindros, though due largely to his own fault) and now we've seen Crosby hurt. God help the league if somebody flatlines OV.

I'd like to see them at least experiment with a ban on hits to the head. I think the time has come for this. They should also look at making shoulder pads softer.