Is Stamkos a HOF lock?

[SmokyMtnPredsFan]

Some people are over thinking this way too much. Dude has 2 rockets, multiple top 10 goal, pt and hart finishes. He is easily a HOFer right now, he has a better resume than 90% of the hall. 1st ballot.

This right here. He is most definitely a 1st ballot HOFer.

 

[sr edler]

As for the HOF question, who cares? Being in the HOF or not doesn't change anything. You still had the exact same career as you had before you were inducted.

 

[Golden Puppers]

probably but he's cementing a legacy of a loser and choker

only 22 goals and 50 points in 70 playoff games and his teams falling short time and time again

 

[Devilsfan118]

Hard for me to separate his regular season dominance from his disappearing act in the playoffs.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Roughly 40 players get in every 10 years.

For those of you saying no, list the 40 players that rank ahead of Stammer over his first 10 seasons.

 

[The Macho King]

Hard for me to separate his regular season dominance from his disappearing act in the playoffs.

Marcel Dionne is in. Thornton is going in.

Not everyone is Rocket Richard.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

probably but he's cementing a legacy of a loser and choker

only 22 goals and 50 points in 70 playoff games and his teams falling short time and time again

To be honest, backstrom had a bad label in playoffs and kinda crappy numbers until last year.

Just one quick example. But theres plenty. Not every superstar can shine in the playoffs, especially a) on a team of other superstars (kucherov, Johnson while not exactly a ss is a playoff star) and b) theres plenty of Williams, gaborik, briere etc types that come into their own in the playoffs but are average or 1st liners in regular season.

I'm not saying hes been good in playoffs, but his career isnt half over and hes had a lot of injury and mental issues to boot. Sometimes it doesnt click u til it does.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

He’ll get in, I just hope under his name at the hall, they have the words “Playoff Choker”

 

[LeHab]

Stamkos is at least on track for HHoF. Thornton also carries playoff choker badge and is a lock for sure.

 

[filinski77]

stamkos isnt as far behind ovi career wise as most people think tbh

Terrible take wow

Richards: 8 - 2
Hart: 3 -0
Pearson: 3 - 0
Ross: 1 - 0 (Ovi lead in points/gp 3 straight years, the highest stammer has ever finished is 3rd)
Smythe: 1 - 0
Calder: 1 - 0
Allstars: 11 - 2

Stamkos point finishes on his own team in the playoffs: 5/1/4/1/10*(currently)
Ovi point finishes on his own team in the playoffs: 1/1/1/1/1/7/1/1/5/2/2*(currently)

Ovi has been much better in the RS and the PO's than Stammer has.

Ovi over his career averages 50 goals - 92 points per season, and Stammer averages 43 goals - 84 points per season. Ovi is also turning 34 soon, so it would be reasonable to expect stamkos' averages to drop even further by the time he's 33/34 (unless league scoring continues to increase)

So no, careerwise they are not close at all

 

[glenwo2]

He's a Lock based on his career.

But he's still a d-bag for that sucker-punch.

 

[deckercky]

That's no insult.

Top-10 finishes in points
Stamkos 2, 2, 5, 5, 9
Bure 2, 3, 5, 7

Top-10 finishes in goals
Stamkos 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 4, 7
Bure 1, 1, 1, 3, 5

Hart voting
Stamkos 2, 6, 8, 11, 11
Bure 3, 9, 12

In fact, Bure is getting all possible credit for his talent and the time he missed when compared with Stamkos. Looking at career numbers, it begins to feel as if Stamkos had a better career.

Worth noting that a major difference between Bure and Stamkos is that Stamkos arguably never was elite and the best player on his team at the same time:

2009-10: Stamkos 95 pts (5th) and St. Louis 94 pts (6th)
2010-11: St. Louis 99 pts (2nd) and St. Louis 91 pts (5th)
2011-12: Stamkos 97 pts (2nd) and St. Louis 74 pts (18th)
2012-13: St. Louis 60 pts (1st) and Stamkos 57 pts (2nd)
2013-14: Stamkos injured over half of the season, but best P/GP on Lightning.
2014-15: Stamkos 72 pts (14th) and Johnson 72 pts (15th)
2015-16: Kucherov 66 pts (21st) and Stamkos 64 pts (24th)
2016-17: Kucherov 85 pts (5th) and Stamkos only plays 17 games (but best P/GP on Lightning)
2017-18: Kucherov 100 pts (3rd) and Stamkos 86 pts (12th)
2018-19: Kucherov 128 pts (1st) and Stamkos 98 pts (9th)

2011-12 was the only season where Stamkos was clearly the best player on the team.

Meanwhile, Bure carried the offence for Vancouver and Florida when he put up his elite seasons (which was basically whenever he was healthy).

 

[tony d]

I think he is. Be nice to see him and the Lightning get a Cup to match their regular season success.

 

[DictatorTots427]

I think he is a HOFer, but this is a really weird time for this thread

 

[Voight]

Without a doubt, I mean he's one of the best players of the 2010's and should add a Gold Medal in 2022 to his resume.

 

[BlueBull]

Worth noting that a major difference between Bure and Stamkos is that Stamkos arguably never was elite and the best player on his team at the same time:

2009-10: Stamkos 95 pts (5th) and St. Louis 94 pts (6th)
2010-11: St. Louis 99 pts (2nd) and St. Louis 91 pts (5th)
2011-12: Stamkos 97 pts (2nd) and St. Louis 74 pts (18th)
2012-13: St. Louis 60 pts (1st) and Stamkos 57 pts (2nd)
2013-14: Stamkos injured over half of the season, but best P/GP on Lightning.
2014-15: Stamkos 72 pts (14th) and Johnson 72 pts (15th)
2015-16: Kucherov 66 pts (21st) and Stamkos 64 pts (24th)
2016-17: Kucherov 85 pts (5th) and Stamkos only plays 17 games (but best P/GP on Lightning)
2017-18: Kucherov 100 pts (3rd) and Stamkos 86 pts (12th)
2018-19: Kucherov 128 pts (1st) and Stamkos 98 pts (9th)

2011-12 was the only season where Stamkos was clearly the best player on the team.

Meanwhile, Bure carried the offence for Vancouver and Florida when he put up his elite seasons (which was basically whenever he was healthy).

Stamkos was the best player for sure on his team in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2015. Also, he was somewhat unlucky since he played with two of the best right wings in the NHL in the last 20 years.

 

[Ace of Hades]

That's no insult.

Top-10 finishes in points
Stamkos 2, 2, 5, 5, 9
Bure 2, 3, 5, 7

Top-10 finishes in goals
Stamkos 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 4, 7
Bure 1, 1, 1, 3, 5

Hart voting
Stamkos 2, 6, 8, 11, 11
Bure 3, 9, 12

In fact, Bure is getting all possible credit for his talent and the time he missed when compared with Stamkos. Looking at career numbers, it begins to feel as if Stamkos had a better career.

Take into consideration the era they played for and the level of linemates, overall prowess as players as well as playoff production and it becomes very clear that Bure destroys Stamkos.

 

[Connor McConnor]

He's a HOFer but whoever said he's a modern day Bure didn't watch Bure. They aren't similar at all and Bure will go down as better because he didn't choke in big games.

 

[The Worst One]

No, he's a loser.

 

[PensandCaps]

Easily

 

[The Macho King]

He's a HOFer but whoever said he's a modern day Bure didn't watch Bure. They aren't similar at all and Bure will go down as better because he didn't choke in big games.

I mean, he had one playoff run of note, but okay. He went to the playoffs five times his whole career.

 

[canuck2010]

Please don't insult Pavel Bure like that.

Yes Bure was exciting, yes he had the jets and one on one skills to the net but Stamkos is the better overall player. If Bure didn't score he did nothing not the case with Stamkos. Not sure Bure ever saw his own side of the red line.

 

[Ace of Hades]

Yes Bure was exciting, yes he had the jets and one on one skills to the net but Stamkos is the better overall player. If Bure didn't score he did nothing not the case with Stamkos. Not sure Bure ever saw his own side of the red line.

This is a terrible terrible take. You have obviously not watched Bure or were too young to watch him because hes easily the better overall player than Stamkos is.

 

[TheSituation]

He'll be first ballot when it's all said and done

 

[Zuluss]

Take into consideration the era they played for and the level of linemates, overall prowess as players as well as playoff production and it becomes very clear that Bure destroys Stamkos.

Other than playoffs, it is hard to find any numbers backing Bure over Stamkos
Take the lead over the field as an example (I do not think that players finishing 8th to 12th in the goal-scoring race were all that better in the 90s). Up top, sure - we had Lemieux, Gretzky and Jagr all playing back then.

% leads over #10 in goals
Bure 61-55-48-30-11
Stamkos 67-46-38-32-30-10-9

What does Bure have over Stamkos here? Three-year peak? I think the fact that Stamkos best four years were consecutive and the fact that he had one elite season extra (32% margin over #10) more than make up for that.

% leads over #10 in points
Bure 19-14-8-3
Stamkos 24-18-16-10-2

I know, linemates - but can we quantify that? It is not like Stamkos folded completely after MSL departed. They benefited from playing together, but isn't that an important trait of a great player - being able to gel with other great players? We have seen so many cases, especially in short international tournaments, when two great players have zero chemistry.

Speaking of prowess, where is the higher peak of Bure? He was flashier, but flashy and dull goals count all the same. He could have been better - yes, but HOF membership is a career accomplishment, it is based on what one did, not what one could have done, and this is why players get inducted after their career is over. Otherwise, why not induct McDavid tomorrow based on prowess?