Is Ryan Getzlaf a Future Hall of Famer?

[Alex Jones]

If the HHOF had the same standards as the BBHOF, then no.

Since it doesn't, I don't have a lot of doubt that he will be a yes. Probably not a first ballot guy, going to have to wait a couple years.

 

[mashedpotato]

He's had a better career than most in the league.
Gold medals, Cup Champions, World Cups.

I dare say yes.

 

[scallionjj11]

Getzlaf will go down as one of the greatest Ducks of all time. He'll be in there for sure.

 

[Burke the Legend]

One of my favourite players, great performer but he shouldn't be HoF. He has no hardware, only finished top 10 in points a couple of times. Longevity and steady production isn't enough, HoF should only be top 5 guys but the NHL HoF standards are pretty low the way similar, popular steady producers like Sundin and Recchi so for Getz it's maybe 50/50.

 

[SKRusty]

Pretty redundant thread as Getzlaf even if he retired tomorrow would likely be a first ballot induction.

Since 2000 Getzlaf is 17th on the points list and with only 3 more 80 point seasons he would have 1139 points which would only leave Thorton, Crosby, Ovi, and maybe Malkin in front of him. Getzlaf is likely the most under-rated superstar in the NHL partly because he plays in a non-hockey market.

Throw in a cup and numerous awards, gold medals and he is an easy first ballot HHOF induction.

 

[Neutrinos]

LOL, are you being sarcastic? It's a team game and no one has ever won a Stanley cup with a team of one person.

Getzlaf is #1 center that has won at virtually ever level.

The Hall of Fame is about acknowledging an individual's career. Bringing up team accomplishments is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned

How did Getzlaf perform at "virtually every level" during those victories? That's all that matters in this discussion

 

[Hatter of the Beach]

If he played for an Original 6 team this wouldn’t be a discussion.

 

[b in vancouver]

I hope he gets in but not quite sure. Instead of comparing him to historical guys I thinks it's kinda easier to compare him to his contemporaries and competition.
2 or 3 recent NHLers make it in most years. - There's also going to be a few lean years before Getz and co. retire as Chara and Thornton (Jagr) will get in but they're probably the only two guaranteed current NHLers older than Getz. Marleau, Lundqvist and Luongo.
So here's guys from about 5 drafts '03 onwards.

Crosby
Malkin
Ovechkin
P. Kane
Keith
Bergeron
Karlsson
Kopitar
Doughty
Toews ( Getz is a better player - but whether you, I or the dog thinks he should or shouldn't - I fully expect him to get in)

Perry - Rocket, Hart, tied with Nieds as the only player to win everything. Getz is better but Perry has a better resume.
Benn - Hart - and lots of time.
Burns - Norris - and great back half to his career.
Subban - Norris - and lots of time
Stamkos - Rocket -
Weber - similar to Getzlaf in that he's been one of the best but no real hardware
E. Staal - similar to Getzlaf but still has more points than him. (also lost a year to the lock-out while Getz was still in juniors) - Much better earlier, worse mid-career.
Giroux - similar again. Racking up points and finishes
Backstrom - racking up points and like Getz - underrated.
Kessel - pretty much the definition of a compiler
Fleury - wins
Price - Hart, Vezina
Holtby - 2X Vezina
Tavares - if Toronto has any success he'll get in.
Rask - Vezina

Then there's a couple of guys that are long-shots but still have a chance - Wheeler, R. Suter, Marchand, etc.

If we can agree that the first list would all get in before him (Toews?) - that takes up 3-4 years of Hall inductions.
Leaving about another 15 -20 players trying to make it. Is he a better player than much of the second list? Yes. Do a lot of these players have better resumes or have a higher profile? Yes.

Some of these guys won't make it. But - still a lot of hockey left to be played.

If Getzlaf doesn't get in quickly - he could be waiting for quite awhile.

 

[Calad]

Hall of very good, lacking in personal accolades imo

 

[StoneHands]

The Hall of Fame is about acknowledging an individual's career. Bringing up team accomplishments is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned

How did Getzlaf perform at "virtually every level" during those victories? That's all that matters in this discussion

Team accomplishments may be irrelevant to you but if I had to guess, I would say you don't get a vote. The guys who actually vote for the HoF definitely consider Cups so discussing team success definitely matters in this discussion.

 

[StoneHands]

Pretty redundant thread as Getzlaf even if he retired tomorrow would likely be a first ballot induction.

Since 2000 Getzlaf is 17th on the points list and with only 3 more 80 point seasons he would have 1139 points which would only leave Thorton, Crosby, Ovi, and maybe Malkin in front of him. Getzlaf is likely the most under-rated superstar in the NHL partly because he plays in a non-hockey market.

Throw in a cup and numerous awards, gold medals and he is an easy first ballot HHOF induction.

What are Getzlaf's numerous awards?

 

[b in vancouver]

When just looking at career totals it might be close but Getzlaf has a pretty clear edge when drilling down a bit more.

Hart voting
Staal 4, 17, 22, 23
Getzlaf 2, 6, 7, 15, 20, 20

Post season all star voting:
Staal 2, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9
Getzlaf 2, 3, 6, 7, 7, 8, 10

Selke finishes:
Staal 16, 31, 39, 40 plus a few finishes outside the top 40
Getzlaf 10, 13, 13, 18, 20, 22 plus two outside the too 40

Top 10 goal finishes:
Staal 4, 5, 8
Getzlaf none

Too 10 point finishes:
Staal 6, 7
Getzlaf 2, 6, 10

Top 10 assist finishes
Staal 6
Getzlaf 3, 3, 4, 5, 7, 7, 8

The only thing Staal is better at is goal scoring. Other than that Getzlaf is the far superior player.

This isn't exactly 'drilling down' more. Getzlaf had a much much much better supporting cast during the primes of their careers. - just using Staal's post lock-out numbers versus teammates in Carolina. Staal made the NHL while Getzlaf was in juniors and missed a season because of the lockout while Getz was in juniors.

'06 - 1st 25 points more than next player J. Williams. Leads team in playoff scoring on way to The Cup
'07 - 3rd not up to his standard 30-40 - J. Williams, Brind'Amour
'08 - 1st 20 points more than next player. 30 more than #3.
'09 - 2nd him and Whitney have 20 more points than 3rd
'10 - 1st leads team in scoring despite playing 70 games
'11 - 1st 3 more points than 2nd
'12 - 1st 35 more points than 2nd
'13 - 1st 10 more points than 2nd (shortened year)
'14 - 1st 8 more points than 2nd
'15 - 1st 5 more points than 2nd
'16 - Brutal year 33 points in 63 games - checked out.

versus Getzlaf

'06 - 6th - 50 points behind 1st
'07 - 6th - 35 points behind 1st - leads team in scoring on way to The Cup
'08 - 1st - 30 points more than second Perry
'09 - 1st - 20 points more than 2nd
'10 - 2nd - missed 15 games
'11 - 3rd - missed 15 games but 25 points out
'12 - Brutal year 57 points in 82 games
'13 - 1st - 13 more points (shortened year)
'14 - 1st - 5 more points
'15 - 1st - 15 more points
'16 - 1st - 1 more point (missed 5 games)

Staal lead his team in scoring 8 times. Getzlaf 7. Staal's separation was much larger in points. They've had incredibly comparable careers. Getz has been on a better team for much of it as the Hurricanes for a good few years was Staal and... uhh... ?

 

[MrThomas]

No at all. He is not even that good.

 

[Wats]

He's a lock. Not sure how it's debatable since there are players going in every year and he's one of the best players from this era with cups.

 

[StoneHands]

This isn't exactly 'drilling down' more. Getzlaf had a much much much better supporting cast during the primes of their careers. - just using Staal's post lock-out numbers versus teammates in Carolina. Staal made the NHL while Getzlaf was in juniors and missed a season because of the lockout while Getz was in juniors.

'06 - 1st 25 points more than next player J. Williams. Leads team in playoff scoring on way to The Cup
'07 - 3rd not up to his standard 30-40 - J. Williams, Brind'Amour
'08 - 1st 20 points more than next player. 30 more than #3.
'09 - 2nd him and Whitney have 20 more points than 3rd
'10 - 1st leads team in scoring despite playing 70 games
'11 - 1st 3 more points than 2nd
'12 - 1st 35 more points than 2nd
'13 - 1st 10 more points than 2nd (shortened year)
'14 - 1st 8 more points than 2nd
'15 - 1st 5 more points than 2nd
'16 - Brutal year 33 points in 63 games - checked out.

versus Getzlaf

'06 - 6th - 50 points behind 1st
'07 - 6th - 35 points behind 1st - leads team in scoring on way to The Cup
'08 - 1st - 30 points more than second Perry
'09 - 1st - 20 points more than 2nd
'10 - 2nd - missed 15 games
'11 - 3rd - missed 15 games but 25 points out
'12 - Brutal year 57 points in 82 games
'13 - 1st - 13 more points (shortened year)
'14 - 1st - 5 more points
'15 - 1st - 15 more points
'16 - 1st - 1 more point (missed 5 games)

Staal lead his team in scoring 8 times. Getzlaf 7. Staal's separation was much larger in points. They've had incredibly comparable careers. Getz has been on a better team for much of it as the Hurricanes for a good few years was Staal and... uhh... ?

This is a cool argument for HF but this isn't something voters are going to give a lot of weight to. If anything, players who play on good teams have a better chance of being voted in. It's not very often that a borderline player makes the HoF if he's on terrible teams most of his career but it's not uncommon at all to see borderline players make it if the teams they play on have consistent success.

No voter is going to look at 2014 and 2015 and think Staal was a superstar with 61 and 54 points just because he was able to outscore Skinner and Faulk to lead a bad team in scoring.

Voters are also going to consider Getzlaf's importance to a recently founded expansion team and the fact that he's still there. The Ducks made the playoffs just 3 times in their first 11 seasons and since Getzlaf joined the team they've only missed the playoffs twice in 13 years and they've had several deep runs including the only Cup in franchise history.

 

[TeamRenzo]

The Hall of Fame is about acknowledging an individual's career. Bringing up team accomplishments is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned

How did Getzlaf perform at "virtually every level" during those victories? That's all that matters in this discussion

Team accomplishments are not irrelevant, well at least not to the people that vote for HOF.

 

[Daz28]

Shame not many people have seen much of his career. He's Mark Messier light.

 

[Paul4587]

This isn't exactly 'drilling down' more. Getzlaf had a much much much better supporting cast during the primes of their careers. - just using Staal's post lock-out numbers versus teammates in Carolina. Staal made the NHL while Getzlaf was in juniors and missed a season because of the lockout while Getz was in juniors.

'06 - 1st 25 points more than next player J. Williams. Leads team in playoff scoring on way to The Cup
'07 - 3rd not up to his standard 30-40 - J. Williams, Brind'Amour
'08 - 1st 20 points more than next player. 30 more than #3.
'09 - 2nd him and Whitney have 20 more points than 3rd
'10 - 1st leads team in scoring despite playing 70 games
'11 - 1st 3 more points than 2nd
'12 - 1st 35 more points than 2nd
'13 - 1st 10 more points than 2nd (shortened year)
'14 - 1st 8 more points than 2nd
'15 - 1st 5 more points than 2nd
'16 - Brutal year 33 points in 63 games - checked out.

versus Getzlaf

'06 - 6th - 50 points behind 1st
'07 - 6th - 35 points behind 1st - leads team in scoring on way to The Cup
'08 - 1st - 30 points more than second Perry
'09 - 1st - 20 points more than 2nd
'10 - 2nd - missed 15 games
'11 - 3rd - missed 15 games but 25 points out
'12 - Brutal year 57 points in 82 games
'13 - 1st - 13 more points (shortened year)
'14 - 1st - 5 more points
'15 - 1st - 15 more points
'16 - 1st - 1 more point (missed 5 games)

Staal lead his team in scoring 8 times. Getzlaf 7. Staal's separation was much larger in points. They've had incredibly comparable careers. Getz has been on a better team for much of it as the Hurricanes for a good few years was Staal and... uhh... ?

Quality of teammates really doesn’t come into play here, especially given Getzlafs tendency to raise the game of his linemates. Getzlaf hasn’t always had the luxury of playing with a prime Perry (who benefitted far more from Getzlaf than the other way around). The year after he won the hart he was on a line with Rene Bouruqe and DSP for 1/4 of the season and still put up great numbers.

 

[Anisimovs AK]

Which isn't hall worthy

Do you know who Adam Oates is? Or that passing is a crucial skill in this sport?

 

[heynowbababooey]

It really is a damn shame to see so many people on here under rating Getzy. If he played his career in Toronto he'd be a god.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

No because his peak was nowhere close to Getzlaf. Getzlaf was one of the top centres in the game for nearly a decade. Several seasons in the top-10 PPG, several seasons in the top-10 Apg and assists...in fact this season he has the best apg in the nhl while scoring a point per game.

Marleau has never been one of the top players at his position, never been in the top 10 in ppg or points in a season...just has two seasons in top 10 for gpg. He also never really raised his offense until Thornton came to the Sharks. His peak was never really great nor hall of fame worthy. Getzlaf's peak is worthy.

Marleau never played regularly with Thornton. He was a ppg player in 2005 before they traded for Thornton...

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Getzlaf will likely get in. He has team accomplishments he contributed towards as well as the point totals. Probably not on his 1st or 2nd year, but he will.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Shame not many people have seen much of his career. He's Mark Messier light.

Getzlaf gets no love in this kind of stuff... flys under the radar constantly.

 

[Le Grec]

For sure, loved watching him play in his prime.

 

[Dondini]

One of the best play makers of this era, puck control is unreal. He’s had some nagging injuries and he’s still gonna end up with 1100-1200ish points in this era. He gets in. Might not be right away but he gets in