His peak is not even in the same area code as Thornton or oates. And henrik was a significantly better playmaker
Is Ryan Getzlaf a Future Hall of Famer?
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MadLuke
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Betweem 2007-2008 to 2017-2018
In regular season Getzlaf is #4 in point among center, #5 in PPG among center with 250 games played.
During is career (2005 to today)
In the playoff:
He is number 3 in points for a center, 120points in 125 games, number 4 in ppg ex-aqueo with playoff hero like Briere and Zetterberg.
That elite offensive output with good advanced stats possession and a elite GF% ratio (+169 career), specially considering that in those #3, #4, #5 type of ranking he always have Crosby/Malkin above him, hard to fault a player to be below those 2, and he would have hardware (1 Art Ross and 1 Hart) if not of them.
Among active player he is
8th in points
8th in points per game
Terrific playoff track record and good international play with Team canada.
Except for Malkin-Crosby, there is not many center that are clearly above Getzlaf for the 2007 to 2017 period imo, does seem above Staal and many other candidates, center being usually a very competitive position.
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I get where you're going, but it's beside the point. The players who you and I might think "deserve" to be in the HHOF are immaterial. The trouble lies in you saying "lol @easily" and the actual admitting practices of the HHOF (3-4 NHLers every year). Of the players I listed earlier (drafted from 1998-2008), it's very possible that, say, 30-35 of those guys will get in. I don't think Getzlaf gets in "easily", but his odds look pretty darn good given the way players are actually selected for the HHOF.
Very often, these discussions are just about "Poster X's HHOF" (and their personal criteria), which isn't the way it works. That's all I'm saying.
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Okay, that's fair. It's true that our opinions are immaterial, but at the same time, we should be asking / demanding better practice in executing standards that befit the quality of the hall, not lowering it.
Marleau is not even comparable to Getzlaf at all. Marleau mainly has the longevity on his side and that's it. Marleau almost double the amount of games that Getzlaf has and Marleau only has 247 more points
Look at the top 10 point finishes and all star voting. It's not even close.
Getzlaf is a little underrated. I won't say he is a lock because if he retires today. Its 50/50 chances he gets in. But if he plays another 5 years. You are looking at 1200 points. If you adjust the point that is quite similar to Modano and Sundin. If he reaches 1100 to 1200 points. He will be a lock to get in
Great post. For us to even have a debate on this topic show how underrated Getzlaf is.
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In the 11 drafts between 1998-2008 (2003 +/- 5 drafts), Getzlaf is currently 12th in scoring.
He'll probably pass Spezza, Datsyuk, Richards, Lecavalier, Zetterberg, H. Sedin and D. Sedin.
Kane and Backstrom will probably pass him.
Leaving him roughly around 7th across 11 drafts when he retires.... he's very likely to be inducted into the HHOF.
He'll probably pass Spezza, Datsyuk, Richards, Lecavalier, Zetterberg, H. Sedin and D. Sedin.
Kane and Backstrom will probably pass him.
Leaving him roughly around 7th across 11 drafts when he retires.... he's very likely to be inducted into the HHOF.
getzlaf is a HOF player, he will eventually get in...not high end hall guy that will get in fast, but hes a hall guy for sure
getzlaf isn't some great player or star...in his prime, this was a superstar center, only the top top few forwards in the league were better than this guy
getzlaf isn't some great player or star...in his prime, this was a superstar center, only the top top few forwards in the league were better than this guy
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He is getting in, no doubt about it.
He has a very well rounded resume and is still adding to it.
He has a very well rounded resume and is still adding to it.
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No because his peak was nowhere close to Getzlaf. Getzlaf was one of the top centres in the game for nearly a decade. Several seasons in the top-10 PPG, several seasons in the top-10 Apg and assists...in fact this season he has the best apg in the nhl while scoring a point per game.
Marleau has never been one of the top players at his position, never been in the top 10 in ppg or points in a season...just has two seasons in top 10 for gpg. He also never really raised his offense until Thornton came to the Sharks. His peak was never really great nor hall of fame worthy. Getzlaf's peak is worthy.
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Thornton I agree with, Oates was not that far ahead. Getzlaf has a better Hart record where as Oates was the higher scoring player relative to peers. Don’t get me wrong I think Oates was better but he’s not in a different area code.
Sedin was a better playmaker but it wasn’t by a huge amount. And Getzlaf was the much better goal scorer of the two and should easily eclipse Henriks career numbers in less games barring a career ending injury.
IF Getzlaf continues his current pace for a few more seasons followed by a few OK seasons, he will likely be a middle of the road hall of famer of the current 271 inducted. That would not be lowering the standards of the hall in any way.
Examples of middle of the road hall of famers (centres) who are not the very best in the Hall of Fame but certainly not scraping the bottom of the barrel - Hawerchuk, Sundin, Sittler, Savard, Lafontaine, Jean Ratelle
Top-10 seasons
Assists
3,3,4,5,7,7,8
Points
2,6,10
Assists Per Game
1(this year),2,2,3,5,7,7,9,9
Points Per Game
3,6,6,8,9
Elite playmaker who has been one of the best point producers in the NHL the past decade-plus. He has been great for almost all of the past 13 years. His playoff production would have to be classified as great as well 0.96 PPG career average
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Other than the other named element, is 4 playoff run above 1 ppg + significant piece of a cup winning team is quite something.
When you look at that list:
NHL Playoffs All-Time Points Leaders
| 51 |
| Patrick Kane | 1988 | F | 127 | 50 | 73 | 123 | 62 | 4 | 8 | 1 | 11 | 0.394 | 0.575 | 0.969 |
| 52 | 
| Joe Thornton | 1979 | F | 160 | 27 | 96 | 123 | 126 | -26 | 10 | 0 | 8 | 0.169 | 0.600 | 0.769 |
| 53 |
| Jeremy Roenick | 1970 | F | 154 | 53 | 69 | 122 | 115 | 21 | 17 | 2 | 12 | 0.344 | 0.448 | 0.792 |
| 54 |
| Brian Bellows | 1964 | F | 143 | 51 | 71 | 122 | 143 | -28 | 23 | 2 | 5 | 0.357 | 0.497 | 0.853 |
| 55 |
| Chris Pronger | 1974 | D | 173 | 26 | 95 | 121 | 326 | 40 | 13 | 0 | 3 | 0.150 | 0.549 | 0.699 |
| 56 | 
| Henrik Zetterberg | 1980 | F | 137 | 57 | 63 | 120 | 79 | 41 | 21 | 2 | 8 | 0.416 | 0.460 | 0.876 |
| 57 |
| Ken Linseman | 1958 | F | 113 | 43 | 77 | 120 | 325 | 14 | 9 | 2 | 11 | 0.381 | 0.681 | 1.062 |
| 58 |
| Ryan Getzlaf | 1985 | F | 125 | 37 | 83 | 120 | 137 | 12 | 15 | 2 | 6 | 0.296 | 0.664 | 0.960 |
| 59 |
| Bobby Clarke | 1949 | F | 136 | 42 | 77 | 119 | 152 | -1 | 15 | 3 | 7 | 0.309 | 0.566 | 0.875 |
| 60 |
| Dino Ciccarelli | 1960 | F | 141 | 73 | 45 | 118 | 211 | -37 | 34 | 0 | 13 | 0.518 | 0.319 | 0.837 |
| 61 |
| Bernie Geoffrion | 1931 | F | 132 | 58 | 60 | 118 | 88 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.439 | 0.455 | 0.894 | |
| 62 |
| Frank Mahovlich | 1938 | F | 137 | 51 | 67 | 118 | 163 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0.372 | 0.489 | 0.861 | |
| 63 |
| Dale Hunter | 1960 | F | 186 | 42 | 76 | 118 | 729 | -9 | 13 | 2 | 7 | 0.226 | 0.409 | 0.634 |
| 64 |
| Scott Stevens | 1964 | D | 233 | 26 | 92 | 118 | 402 | 48 | 12 | 0 | 8 | 0.112 | 0.395 | 0.506 |
| 65 | 
| Alexander Ovechkin | 1985 | F | 121 | 61 | 56 | 117 | 54 | 13 | 21 | 0 | 8 | 0.504 | 0.463 | 0.967 |
| 66 |
| Sergei Zubov | 1970 | D | 164 | 24 | 93 | 117 | 62 | 28 | 13 | 1 | 1 | 0.146 | 0.567 | 0.713 |
| 67 |
| Joe Nieuwendyk | 1966 | F | 158 | 66 | 50 | 116 | 91 | -5 | 23 | 0 | 13 | 0.418 | 0.316 | 0.734 |
Getzlaf look really good, many hall of farmer below him already, Clarke, Ciccarelli, Ovechkin/Toews (below at number 74) being sure fire ones, Nieuwendyk, etc... and he didn't played is prime in a particularly high scoring time, that 2008-2009 season/playoff run he had was really quite something and an elite level for example, participating to more than half the Ducks goals, #6 in points (considering 3 of the 5 above were Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin) with some Selke votes.
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- near PPG in the playoffs with a large sample size
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- ~15 years as a #1 center (eventually)
- seen in the media as a Canadian franchise center "horse"... yes it helps
He'll get in. He was never considered the elite of the elite but has sustained greatness for a long, long time.
I think people often confuse what the hall-of-fame should be (or what they want it to be) with what it really is. When you look at some of that names that are already in that others have pointed out in this thread, it's hard to keep Getzlaf out.
- near PPG in the playoffs with a large sample size
- International championships
- ~15 years as a #1 center (eventually)
- seen in the media as a Canadian franchise center "horse"... yes it helps
He'll get in. He was never considered the elite of the elite but has sustained greatness for a long, long time.
I think people often confuse what the hall-of-fame should be (or what they want it to be) with what it really is. When you look at some of that names that are already in that others have pointed out in this thread, it's hard to keep Getzlaf out.
While I agree with that he got a strong case for the hall I am tired of this endless "if not for x player he would have", doesn't add any value in my opinion- save for if said player wen't up against one of the 4 demigods that is. Several players did actually beat Crosby/Malkin/Ovechkin for individual awards.
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Yes.
Not first ballot, but he'll get in. His international record combined with his consistent production make up for a lack of individual awards (or 'peak' if you will).
Not first ballot, but he'll get in. His international record combined with his consistent production make up for a lack of individual awards (or 'peak' if you will).
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Uh easily.
I mean if Toews gets in....Getz is far better.
A PPG Centre for many many years and has a cup. How does he NOT get in.
I mean if Toews gets in....Getz is far better.
A PPG Centre for many many years and has a cup. How does he NOT get in.
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Ducks fan saying not quite unless he has about another 3 PPG years
But if Bergeron, Kopitar, and Toews are then he is.
But if Bergeron, Kopitar, and Toews are then he is.
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That is true with the Sedins, Benn, Kane doing it, it is certainly not a Yzerman/Sakic would have won an Art Ross without Lemieux/Greztky type of situation.
But no one did got close to Crosby/Malkin/Ovechkin production over a long period of time in Getzalf era, is .95 ppg is way closer to the #4 than the #4 is to OV among active players with a lot of games.
Being in the talk to be the best forward after them during their prime even if he is a good step below is still really good, they are a special group that he would have not faced having had is prime just before the lock out for example.
People seriously overestimate the criteria for HHOF induction.
Getzlaf achievements:
2, 6, 10 in points
2nd all-star
storied international career
Stanley cup
face of Ducks franchise
This is a resume of low-level hall-of-famer. He won’t get in on first ballot but he’ll be in.
Getzlaf achievements:
2, 6, 10 in points
2nd all-star
storied international career
Stanley cup
face of Ducks franchise
This is a resume of low-level hall-of-famer. He won’t get in on first ballot but he’ll be in.
LOL, are you being sarcastic? It's a team game and no one has ever won a Stanley cup with a team of one person.
Getzlaf is #1 center that has won at virtually ever level.
Everyone forget he beat Bobby Ryan twice, if that is not HOF material, nothing else is, how many players have that resume of beeing defending champ of "whatever it was called"
