Discussion in 'Polls - (hockey-related only)' started by Filthy Dangles, Sep 28, 2018.
Does Nick make it into the Halll you think?
He's a great player but doesn't get into the hall. He has no hardware.
Yes, and pretty easily. He was getting in before the cup and the cup just made it into a guarantee for me
If Toews is getting in... Nick is a better player.
Neither had Mats Sundin
Toews > Nick in their primes
Toews was the Captain of 3 Stanley Cup Champion teams, no? He was also a heck of a player during those playoff runs.
Nick put up over 100p in his prime
Is this a swedish thing?
People forget that hhof also includes an international career. It is not just NHL
Not if he retired today, but probably by the end of his career.
I'd say yes, but it's close.
Selke placements: 7/10/11/12/18/23/28
Top 10 point finishes: 4/4/6/8/9
Top 10 assist finishes: 1/2/3/3/3/3/7
Top 10 Hart finishes: 9/9
Likely finishes with 1100-1200+ points in his career. He currently sits at 799 points, and only needs 1,158 points to be #2 for all-time Swedish born points. He's only 30 right now, so I don't see why he wouldn't hit that.
People argue for a lot of other players such as Kessel, Marleau, Getzlaf, Zetterberg. Backstrom definitely has a better case than Kessel/Marleau, and equal if not slightly better than Getz and big Z in my opinion.
A lot of members don't have major awards including Gillies, Mullen, Federko, Ciccarelli, Andreychuk, Kariya, Recchi.
The eligible people with the most adjusted points not in the HoF are Pierre Turgeon, Daniel Alfredsson, Roenick, Brind'Amour, and Damphousse. Backstrom has 899 adjusted points and 1 Cup and those guys have 1315-1193 adjusted points and combined 1 Clancy, 1 Lady Byng, and 2 Cups. If he plays 6 more seasons and gets 400 more points he would be more qualified than any eligible player not in the Hall of Fame.
No. He was a great player in his prime but never truly elite. Yeah he has one 100-point campaign in his resume next to all time great AO. Outside of that no elite-seasons. He was not a great international player. Somebody compered him to Sundin. Sundin was at least as good in the NHL than Nik and worlds better in international stage.
And no matter if we like it or not, long term C of the Leafs counts for a lot.
I didn't say Toews was a bad player. I just think Nick is better. He's had a better peak, prime, and has had a longer prime as well. I saw the Toews HHOF thread recently and it immediately came to mind when I read this one.
Borderline. Depends on how the rest of his career goes imo. I’ll be optimistic and vote yes.
There have been 17 100 point seasons during Backstrom's 11 year career, one of which was his, and he had the 5th most points over that span. During the 1st 11 years of Sundin's career there were 68 100 point seasons, one of which was his, and he had the 12th most points in that span.
This is a really bizarre argument
I feel Backstrom needs to put together more top notch seasons before calling him a HOFer. He’s been a very good playmaker and center, even dare I say underrated, but he has the playoff success and great numbers. I feel consistency while maintaining his play will be his ticket if anything.
He’s 5th in points and 2nd in assists since his rookie year. He just needs to maintain that sort of play.
It also doesn’t help having a generational talent on your own team with little to separate yourself from him and the team.
Brown captained a team to 2 cups, does that make him better?
Toews vs Backstrom can go either way. The difference is Toews is a media darling with a lot of international and team success attached to him, while Backstrom has the better numbers and is IMO the better overall player. It’s basically defense vs offense, with Toews being the better playoff performer, but with Backstroms recent run, that should have a more positive impact on his value.
Sundin has the numbers and international success to be a HOFer. He was never borderline. He was a model of consistency, and for a majority of the time in a lower scoring era with a lot of top centers.
Not yet. The guy's a good player but has a ways to go before he gets in the Hall.
I thought saying Backstrom had 1 100 point season and is worse than Sundin was bizarre when over their 1st 11 seasons Backstrom’s offensive numbers are so much better relative to his peers plus he’s a better defensive player. Not sure if you know but scoring was much higher in the 80s and 90s.
Backstroms stats are very impressive relative to his era, but Sundin was one of the best and most productive centers during the DPE. He wasn’t a product of any higher scoring era.
Backstroms playmaking and solid defense does make him a more noticeable/stand out player.
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