Is MPS an option on the 2nd line??

BarDownBobo

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Paajarvi's top end potential is to be a second line LW, anyone saying different is probably a hater. However, at this stage in his career it looks more and more like he'll end up being a third line player. And honestly, I'm perfectly fine with that. He's the kind of guy that will be huge on a cup run, because I think he'll be a top end third liner. I think the best thing is that he's got a great attitude, he's willing to do whatever to get better and become a permanent fixture on the Oilers.
 

plikestechno

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Paajarvi's top end potential is to be a second line LW, anyone saying different is probably a hater. However, at this stage in his career it looks more and more like he'll end up being a third line player. And honestly, I'm perfectly fine with that. He's the kind of guy that will be huge on a cup run, because I think he'll be a top end third liner. I think the best thing is that he's got a great attitude, he's willing to do whatever to get better and become a permanent fixture on the Oilers.

Actually it's looking more and more to me like he'll probably be back in Sweden in a couple of years if he doesn't want to do what has to be done to get an NHL spot. Him and Lander have been awful in OKC and people want to put him on the 2nd line. Wow. But it's ok, the Oilers and a lot of people around the league thought he was going to be a 2nd liner as well but he's seriously regressed. I don't think he wants it bad enough. I still hold hope he'll be a 3rd line checker that can contribute 30-40 points but he's not even doing that in the A.

Good attitude? I'm sure that Todd Nelson dreams of choking him and Lander out at night. They've been told what to do but he's not doing it and not chipping in offensively either. What could we even get in a deal for him now?
 
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You're really doing a disservice to Ales Hemsky. Do you watch Oilers games?

I disagree that i am doing Ales a disservice.I havent denegrated Hemsky or insulted him or in any way stepped out of line,I simply stated what to me are observations of his style of play,I have made no personal attacks or critiques of him as an individual or as an Oiler.

And yes i have watched the Oilers since their first NHL game.I have watched Aleses entire career here,I witnessed him being molded into a cog in the Oiler wheel,I watched him make sacrifices and adjust his game to suit a specific style,I watched an entire offensive scheme be evolved around him and his elite zone entry abilitys,he is a very important Oiler who has paid his dues and played through many injurys he sustained because he followed his orders and went to the dangerous areas throughout his entire career.I respect him as a player and as a person who has contributed to the team and in many cases the community as well and as loyally as any Oiler.

But unfortunately these good tidings dont change how i see his position on our depth chart or how I view his tangible and intangible abilitys to contribute to the teams sucess.Hemsky could play on the 1st line on any NHL team except here and maybe one or two others,this is just the way it is and to be honest championship teams have guys like Hemmer on them,guys who are used as gamebreakers from deeper in the lineup,guys with very high talent levels,this is commonly known as depth.Hemsky gives us depth now that we didnt have the luxury of before,now we can make him a 3rd line hitman and green light him all year every game.And lets face it ,at the NHL level if you are going to be elite and the top 5 in any category whatsoever you must dance with the devil and either sacrifice facets of your overall game or take more risks,the risk idea doesnt work so well at this level so that leaves the sacrifice part.Its not just Hemmer its many elite players who are one dimensional and that is why they are the best at those jobs in the best league in the world.

Ralph krueger will define if we play a fast break style or a controlled transition style,and this is key to the line combos,he said fast paced but he didnt specify fastbreak.If we play a fastbreak style then MPS isnt as good a fit as Hemmer on the 2nd line but I would never expose Yakupov to the dangerous passes hemmers style forces him to dish out down the middle--so for me hemmer just doesnt crack the top six anymore.No more than the rest of our vets excluding Gagner.This is what we were all waiting for,trial by fire for our young studs,so let see it happen now and lets let them run with it.Lets use our depth of offense to beat teams down,who in the NHL can put Smyth,Horcs and Hemsky on their 3rd line???We have serious depth if we use our personell properly . Goals from all 4 lines is what this team needs,we are committed to high octane offense so there is no point in messing around,lets set all our lines up for wide open offense.If you are only playing six minutes a night on the 4th line those might as well be offensively catalysed minutes for everyone.
 

plikestechno

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If the Oilers thought Hemsky was 3rd line material they would have let him go to UFA or traded him at the deadline. Not given him 5 million dollars.
 

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Right now he's an AHL player. He will never be an option on the 2nd line, i am afraid. If he eventually develops into a Cleary type 3rd liner, that would have to be considered a major success.
 

tiger_80

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If the Oilers thought Hemsky was 3rd line material they would have let him go to UFA or traded him at the deadline. Not given him 5 million dollars.

Hemsky, when healthy, is a 1st liner. No question about it. The problem is he's almost never healthy. This is his make or break year, IMO. If he fails to produce on the 2nd line or gets injured again, we won't see him in Oilers' silks next fall.
 

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Hemsky, when healthy, is a 1st liner. No question about it. The problem is he's almost never healthy. This is his make or break year, IMO. If he fails to produce on the 2nd line or gets injured again, we won't see him in Oilers' silks next fall.

When unhealthy, Hemsky is a top-six forward that produces at a top-six rate.

Only last year did he produce at a sub-70 point pace, and this is going to be a big year for him either way.
 

plikestechno

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This is what we were all waiting for,trial by fire for our young studs,so let see it happen now and lets let them run with it.Lets use our depth of offense to beat teams down,who in the NHL can put Smyth,Horcs and Hemsky on their 3rd line???We have serious depth if we use our personell properly . Goals from all 4 lines is what this team needs,we are committed to high octane offense so there is no point in messing around,lets set all our lines up for wide open offense.If you are only playing six minutes a night on the 4th line those might as well be offensively catalysed minutes for everyone.

Trial by fire is over, that's been the last 3 years. Winning time is now. We improved 12 points last year compared with the previous 2 seasons, improve another 12-15 points on that in a pro-rated schedule and we might be in the playoffs and will need to show more improvement in subsequent seasons.

With such a short camp and such a short season with the need to improve our place in the standings essential, the best players are getting grouped with the best players for the highest chance of team success and not getting grouped with pluggers to get all the lines going. It's not everybody gets a turn time anymore. That's why we aggressively lobbied for Schultz, went out to improve our grit and toughness by getting a guy like Fistric. The lockout was perfect for the Oilers in figuring who of the younger guys is NHL worthy and who isn't and Paajarvi clearly isn't. Peckham's probably done too. We're better now and we need to win now. No more messing around. Guys like Eager and Belanger had better be ready to go from night one or they'll be in the box or waived.

Paajarvi had his chance to grab a 2nd line spot last year and horribly blew it. He is nowhere close to being a 2nd line NHLer. Or a 3rd line one at this point.
 
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harpoon

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Paajarvi had his chance to grab a 2nd line spot last year and horribly blew it. He is nowhere close to being a 2nd line NHLer. Or a 3rd line one at this point.
I agree. Which begs the question why have the Oilers even bothered to call him up when he could be playing in OKC right now?
And why does it appear they are planning on keeping him up at least for the time being?
 

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I am not so quick to judge MPS at this stage, he would not be the first (or the fifth) Swede to not reach expectations, or rather play well below them, during the first couple of seasons in NA.

I think he can become 2nd line winger but he's not there yet. Furthermore I think it is important to consider that at this point he is being groomed to become a 3rd liner with the ability to step up to 1st/2nd in case of injuries. The reason for this is fairly obvious to me. He will not be a 2nd line winger on this team unless there are changes in the current lineup. In my perfect world Hall, Eberle and Yakupov are all future(/current) All Stars, awards winner, etc. etc. MPS is nowhere near competing with those three for a spot on the top 2 lines. Hemsky is Hemsky, basically an experienced PPG player with loads of skill, and despite what you see on these boards from time to time, probably one of the most important players on this team. Maybe due to his age and based on his performance last year (left to be seen how he is this season) MPS might be closer to him than the others but even if he's closer he's still far away...
 

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Paajarvi over Hemsky is a joke thread.

he was solid at drawing penalties when he had consistent play and does little intangibles. but helping to carry a line with Gagner and Yakupov? F-that. that's such a potential drop in efficiency and execution. Hemsky raises both of those guys level of play by a long shot. Paajarvi at this point doesnt in the least.

your list of qualities (luckily lists of qualities never truly EXHAUST the actual object youre talking about) makes him sound amazing... but its a distortion/translation.

he's just not fully ready for the NHL game as a non-third wheel outside of maybe the fourth line. anywhere else, he's third wheeling or dragging it down with another third wheeler (like Gagner)
 

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If the Oilers thought Hemsky was 3rd line material they would have let him go to UFA or traded him at the deadline. Not given him 5 million dollars.

While I do agree that PRV is no where near Hemsky on the depth chart we do have a history of giving big money to third line talent (Horcoff).
 

Dorian2

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I agree the 2nd line will equal or better 1st line points production ,but without Hemmer there.This is another issue with me,I think the difference between the number of goals Hemmer can give us this year between the 2nd and 3rd line positions is negligable,we dont need a potential and gifted goal scorer who wants to be a passer like hemmer on the 2nd line,we need goals from all lines to be a championship team,so if we want balanced scoring we put specialists like Hemmer on the third line and green light him all year long and watch hid wreak havoc on bottom defensive pairings with his 1st line speed.We need to wring goals out of Hemsky one way or another,we have more than enough dishers now,we need triggermen even if we need to force them into it like we do with Hemmer---funny thing is that Hemmer will shoot if he has a high percentage opportunity so on the 3rd line his trigger finger should naturally be happier facing lesser d-man pairings where he can get the halfstep it takes to trigger his mental cannon

Sometimes it hard to face the changing times but it seems Hemmer is being pushed down by our recent influx of elite passers more than anything else,if Hemsky wants to give the team the most he can he needs to work the 3rd line and bury his rushes all year long because we have more than enough stickyhands now,we need triggers.

So you're basically saying that we need a "trigger" like MPS to replace Hemsky on the 2nd line? All the while moving Hemsky to a line where HE can be the "trigger", instead of utilizing his elite passing skills on the line with Yakupov, who is pretty much the proven "trigger" already. OK, if you say so. Also, you're suggesting placing Hemsky on the Oilers checking line, the line that will be attempting to shut down other team's top lines. Yeah, I can see his scoring opportunities flourishing right now.

The Oilers have to use Hemsky's skill set to full advantage...that being the setup guy for someone who can score goals, like Yakupov.
 

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Hemsky at his absolute worst (last season) is still a better player than Paajarvi as of right now. I fully expect Hemsky to have a bounce back season, he played a lot better towards the end of last season and carried to over to the WC and this season overseas, so i have no idea where the OP got the idea that Paajarvi would be a better option than Hemsky in the top 6. I'll take it a step further and say that Paajarvi is barely an NHL player on any line at this point in time. He has a ways to go if he wants to ever crack the Oilers bottom 6 never mind the top 6.
 

fuswald

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Paajarvi is a bust time to move on. Give others the spot.
Hemsky can be great if healthy and with the line mates he has now no excuses.
If he fails this year he can share the Horcoff cheering section.
If he rocks the Oil will make playoffs.
If he gets hurt... .
 

Aerchon

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Paajarvi's top end potential is to be a second line LW, anyone saying different is probably a hater. However, at this stage in his career it looks more and more like he'll end up being a third line player. And honestly, I'm perfectly fine with that. He's the kind of guy that will be huge on a cup run, because I think he'll be a top end third liner. I think the best thing is that he's got a great attitude, he's willing to do whatever to get better and become a permanent fixture on the Oilers.

I agree with this but think it misses the point of this thread. Simply put, No MP is not an option for the second line.

Right now MP should not be on the Oilers roster. He simply isn't good enough for anything but 4th line minutes. He would be better served in the minors where he can work on generating offense so he can reach his potential of hopefuly a 2nd line winger but more than likely a 3rd liner.
 

Supermassive

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Any chance that Paajarvi is being held in Edmonton to send a message that Yakupov's spot on the team is not guaranteed?

Just a thought. I think Yak will dominate, but Ralph is a smart guy, he knows how to treat the youngsters.
 
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Any chance that Paajarvi is being held in Edmonton to send a message that Yakupov's spot on the team is not guaranteed?

Just a thought. I think Yak will dominate, but Ralph is a smart guy, he knows how to treat the youngsters.

Zero chance.

Paajarvi should be in OKC for the year. No idea why he is on the roster tbh.
 

OneMoreAstronaut

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Any chance that Paajarvi is being held in Edmonton to send a message that Yakupov's spot on the team is not guaranteed?

Just a thought. I think Yak will dominate, but Ralph is a smart guy, he knows how to treat the youngsters.

As someone who's been in the system competing against other players, I actually think that's incredibly likely. I never had a coach that handed me or anyone else a guaranteed spot, no matter who they were. You need your players competing for their spots to bring out the best in them, at every level, even if they are the obvious choice.
 

Supermassive

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Zero chance.

Paajarvi should be in OKC for the year. No idea why he is on the roster tbh.

If he's sent down after five games, we might just have our answer.

Or perhaps he subs in/out with Hordichuk (depending on the opponent) until Jones gets back. Then he goes down.

Or we're rolling with an extra forward to give other players the odd night off in such a compressed schedule.
 

Kepler 186f

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Entered thread thinking it was a joke and I could have a good laugh. Discovered it was serious. Need a drink, but it is too early.

MPS shouldn't even be on the roster let alone take the place of an actual, real life top six forward. He doesn't do anything on the ice better than Hemsky. Nothing.
 

Dorian2

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This thread seems like a veiled Hemsky hate thread.

To clarify, not because of many of the posts, just the tone of the OP and some ensuing posts.
 

plikestechno

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Apparently theyre only keeping 13 forwards to start the season so that should mean that Paajarvi's going down to start the season.
 

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