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SpookyTsuki
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There is no "I" in Datsyuk either.
Heck flip the w in Toews and then you got a Me somewhere in there.
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Yeah. Not better, but more complete.
I love the "can't hold his jock strap" type posts.
This is the most wrong answer I've ever read.
AD1066
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Yeah. Not better, but more complete.
I love the "can't hold his jock strap" type posts.
Complete how?
Fedorov was better offensively and defensively. And when you further break those down into individual components - like skating, shooting - he's ahead in those areas as well.
Alexander the Gr8
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I think we can have this conversation the day coach Q decides to put Toews next to Keith or Seabrook on the blue line.
Until then, it is clearly Fedorov.
Until then, it is clearly Fedorov.
dtones520
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Yeah. Not better, but more complete.
I love the "can't hold his jock strap" type posts.
So I'm guessing you never watched Sergei Fedorov in his prime, right?
Bergeron37
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But Pavel Datsyuk is also an all time great, so... not like that's a huge insult to Toews.
cowboy82nd
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Then why are you arguing about Toews be a better player then anybody? Team accomplishments mean squat when it comes individual talents.
ScaredStreit
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It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
Not saying it makes him more complete, but Toews is definitely better in the corners and going to the dirty areas around the net.
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Not really, we should have the age posted under every username. I doubt most people on here watched Federov in his prime. If this were based on everyones limited viewing, the answers would be different. At least I'm honest about my reasons behind my opinion.
Source: I am 24 and haven't watched Federov during most of his career
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He does it with more regularity, but he actually isn't better at those either.
Sergei Fedorov is the most talented Red Wings player I have ever seen. I have seen prime Yzerman as well as I am old enough, another player that is better than Toews as a two way player....
A season ticket holder that used to sit next to us, would also say constantly he was better than Howe.... That is the caliber we are talking here.
Fedorov was dominant at everything. If you could build a freak hockey player you are looking at some combination of Lemieux, Fedorov and Lindros. Most of their traits would actually come from Fedorov as he could do everything including playing top pairing defense.
Very underrated about Fedorov was just how physical and direct his play could be. Yes you have the beautiful effortless end to end rushes, but a part of that is the way he would physically drive D-man right into the goalies lap often. He did a lot of down low and crease crashing work, he did it in an era where you could actually attempt to tackle the guy and they still couldn't because he was that solid on his skates. Forsberg is another guy with this quality in spades from that era.
I know we think obstruction is coming back in, but it is nowhere near the levels of back then. You went to the corners and crease and accepted a tremendous amount more punishment, but Fedorov went to those areas in particular the slot. Another thing about the corners is watch Sergei Fedorov the D-man in the corners, he wins the puck 90% of the time and crushed dudes there. On offense he is one of the greatest forecheckers I have ever witnessed.
BayStreetBully
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Fedorov was immensely talented, but my one criticism would be that for a player of his talent, he could've given more during his prime. We gloss over this now, but Wings fans were incredibly frustrated with his effort at times.
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I doubt this is accurate.
Yup you are honest that you have an uneducated opinion on this topic.. In other words; you don't have any idea what you are talking about.
ottawa
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I never claimed to have an accurate answer to this, I said my answer was based on my limited viewing in the first post. I don't know why everyone is overreacting lol...I never said my post was the decision maker
TopShelfYzerman
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Since which expansion? Certainly not the 67 expansion, as I can think of a Flyer that came along two years later that'd I'd take over Toews
Toews doesn't produce as good offensively because he's not as good offensively. It's not like he's just coasting out there. He's just not as good.
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Yeah. Not better, but more complete.
I love the "can't hold his jock strap" type posts.
What makes him more complete? He's not better at offense or defense. A player that can play top pairing defense at an extremely high level, Put up more points, skate faster, stick handle better, shoot harder. seems to be a more complete player.
CarpeNoctem
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Good one.
I thought the same. He was able to do things Toews simply can't.
I do recall that, but rarely. He probably had other things on his mind at times, the bevy of beautiful Russian babes he dated, certainly
People who never saw him or have a bad memory are quick to forget that Fedorov is almost certainly one of the most complete 10 forwards, of any era, ever. Not much of a doubt. Considering that he was arguably the a top 3 skater, defender, shooter and puck handler at the same time, how the hell could he not be? I know he doesn't have the scoring trophies some people expect, but he put a lot of his energy into D, even while playing Center. If he had just focused on offense like some players are known to do, he'd have had 110 points in some seasons instead of about 80.
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I think he was just playing the way Bowman wanted him to. I think Bowman kind of held him back.
