Is Jagr the greatest European player of all time?

[Nadal On Clay]

Mikita is also in the discussion.

 

[Mrb1p]

It goes without saying that Lidstrom is the 2nd best dman behind Orr.

It goes without saying that you're wrong.

Harvey, Potvin, Bourque and Shore all rank ahead of Lidstrom.

Lidstrom has a good case on prime years and longevity, then you realize Bourque outdoes him heavily and produced elite numbers offensively and you're opinion looks funny.

 

[Mrb1p]

Mikita is also in the discussion.

I like Stan but he doesn't rank high enough here, he's in a discussion with Forbserg, Statsny and co for the 2nd group IMO.

 

[Nadal On Clay]

I like Stan but he doesn't rank high enough here, he's in a discussion with Forbserg, Statsny and co for the 2nd group IMO.

Mikita

4 Rosses
2 Harts
Pearsons wasn’t invented yet in Mikitas era.

Scoring finishes: 1,1,1,1,2,3,3,3,4

Jagr

5 rosses
1 hart
3 pearsons

Scoring finishes: 1,1,1,1,1,2,2,5,6,8,9

Playoffs are comprable.

Im not saying Mikita is ahead but he certainly is in that tier.

 

[Mrb1p]

Mikita

4 Rosses
2 Harts
Pearsons wasn’t invented yet in Mikitas era.

Scoring finishes: 1,1,1,1,2,3,3,3,4

Jagr

5 rosses
1 hart
3 pearsons

Scoring finishes: 1,1,1,1,1,2,2,5,6,8,9

Playoffs are comprable.

Im not saying Mikita is ahead but he certainly is in that tier.

Yeah I know Mikita has a good trophy case, but he doesn't compare as well. Jagr did this against both Mario and Gretzky. I think he's more impressive, personally. You could also list Forsbergs trophy case, or Statsny, or Ovechkin or Malkin and they all look really strong too.

At one point, you gotta make a call, and thats the call I make IMO.

 

[Son Goku]

Yeah I know Mikita has a good trophy case, but he doesn't compare as well. Jagr did this against both Mario and Gretzky. I think he's more impressive, personally. You could also list Forsbergs trophy case, or Statsny, or Ovechkin or Malkin and they all look really strong too.

At one point, you gotta make a call, and thats the call I make IMO.

Two of those 4 are not like the others... Ovechkin and Malkin have vastly superior trophies cases compared to Forsberg and Statsny

 

[Mrb1p]

Two of those 4 are not like the others... Ovechkin and Malkin have vastly superior trophies cases compared to Forsberg and Statsny

For vastly different reasons they don't obviously, Statsny played in the most competitive era ever, and was seen as the 3rd or 4th best player of the 80s, Forbserg had many injuries and requires projection.

 

[PatrikBerglund]

I cant decide between Hasek and Jagr, its a pick your poison type of situation. Lidström is #3, but he is few steps behind Jagr and Dominator.

Whatever you say, Mr. Finland.

 

[sexydonut]

Kharlamov

 

[Connor McConnor]

For me Jagr > Hasek > Lidstrom but would have no issue with the ordering as they play different positions and each were outstanding.

 

[Thenameless]

I'd go with Hasek ahead of Jagr.

 

[HanSolo]

Ovechkin, Hasek, Lidstrom, and Tretiak (assuming we don't count NHLers) are all ahead in my mind.

 

[stymie]

The Dominator.

 

[saffronleaf]

Ray Bourque says "hello".

He can say hello all he wants but Lidstrom is better.

 

[saffronleaf]

As everyone has said, Lidstrom, Hasek and Jagr (no particular order). Ovechkin will be there, too.

 

[beowulf]

F - Jagr
D - Lidstrom
G - Hasek

and the order can be debated. For me it's Jagr, Hasek, Lidstrom but I'm okay with any order another individual sees them in.

Good way to look at it. I'd have to go with Lidstrom but I am bias as I am a dman myself.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Although I know a lot of people rate greatness in different ways, here's a list, JMO:

1) Evgeni Malkin
2) Tim Thomas
3) Dominik Hasek
4) Sergei Fedorov
5) Pavel Datsyuk
6) Alex Ovechkin
7) Jaromir Jagr
8) Peter Forsberg
9) Niklas Lidstrom
10) Zdeno Chara

Now if Russia isn't Europe, I suppose half that list gets taken off.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Although I know a lot of people rate greatness in different ways, here's a list, JMO:

1) Evgeni Malkin
2) Tim Thomas
3) Dominik Hasek
4) Sergei Fedorov
5) Pavel Datsyuk
6) Alex Ovechkin
7) Jaromir Jagr
8) Peter Forsberg
9) Niklas Lidstrom
10) Zdeno Chara

Now if Russia isn't Europe, I suppose half that list gets taken off.

pretty sure Michigan isn't Europe

 

[TNT87]

Yes.

 

[Dustin]

Hasek
Jagr
Lidstrom

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Hasek is a big reason jagr only has 1 hart.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Ovechkin>jagr

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Yeah I know Mikita has a good trophy case, but he doesn't compare as well. Jagr did this against both Mario and Gretzky. I think he's more impressive, personally. You could also list Forsbergs trophy case, or Statsny, or Ovechkin or Malkin and they all look really strong too.

At one point, you gotta make a call, and thats the call I make IMO.

Jagr did nothing against Lemieux or Gretzky. In fact if Lemieux never retired or missed seasons due to health jagr has no art rosses. Not a bad thing as no player in history besides Gretzky could compete with Lemieux. Just saying

 

[Tavares to Marner]

Ovechkin

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Best forward for sure.

I have Lidstrom as the best D of all time (suck it Bobby, you are overrated) so he'd be the best Euro of all time.

Hasek being a goalie makes it a bit different but Hasek is 100% the best goalie of all time.