Is Jack Eichel better than Auston Matthews?

[nbwingsfan]

Yeah, he played like 70 minutes with Marner at 5v5 before last year, you know 5v5 where he has more goals than anyone else?

So the PP just doesn't exist anymore? Teams having to send out defensive pairs against marner/Tavares doesn't count? Interesting theory you've got kid!

 

[Dache]

So why is it okay to mention who Eichel has played with his whole career in Buffalo and it's wrong to mention who Matthews played with in his first two seasons?

Are you now not even reading what you’re typing? Also, still waiting for all the people who claimed Dahlin was the next McDavid, where I discounted Matthews goals and how Andersen is better than Hellebuyck. Or at least admit you don’t have an answer to any of those claims.

 

[Lainehasaweirdface]

So the PP just doesn't exist anymore? Teams having to send out defensive pairs against marner/Tavares doesn't count? Interesting theory you've got kid!

No the power play exists, and Eichel has been getting way more power play time than Matthews. QoC has little effect on individual scoring.

 

[LeafsNation75]

So the PP just doesn't exist anymore? Teams having to send out defensive pairs against marner/Tavares doesn't count? Interesting theory you've got kid!

Matthews and Marner weren't on the same power play line until their 3rd seasons in 2018-19 after Tavares signed as a UFA, however that year they did not play together at 5v5.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Matthews and Marner weren't on the same power play line until their 3rd seasons in 2018-19 after Tavares signed as a UFA, however that year they did not play together at 5v5.

Fun fact, 18/19 is the last two years... Exactly what I've been talking about.

 

[nbwingsfan]

No the power play exists, and Eichel has been getting way more power play time than Matthews. QoC has little effect on individual scoring.

You're right, playing against Chara/Bergeron is definitely just as easy as playing against Kuraly and Krug

 

[LeafsNation75]

Fun fact, 18/19 is the last two years... Exactly what I've been talking about.

That doesn't change history since Matthews and Marner did not play on the same power play line together during their first and second seasons in Toronto.

 

[Lainehasaweirdface]

You're right, playing against Chara/Bergeron is definitely just as easy as playing against Kuraly and Krug

Look it up bud, it hardly matters. Not to mention, even if it did Matthews and Eichel are pretty much dead even at 29.5.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Look it up bud, it hardly matters. Not to mention, even if it did Matthews and Eichel are pretty much dead even at 29.5.

Again, do you want me to add up their teammates point totals and show you the difference or do you not want everyone to see how ridiculous you look?

 

[Lainehasaweirdface]

Again, do you want me to add up their teammates point totals and show you the difference or do you not want everyone to see how ridiculous you look?

Lmao eat crow on that QoC argument bud. Here, let me do it for you for both for 2018-19:

Matthews:
Kapanen+Marleau+Johnsson: 56 goals 68 assists
Eichel:
Skinner+Reinhart+Pominville: 78 goals 81 assists
Rekt.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Lmao eat crow on that QoC argument bud. Here, let me do it for you for both for 2018-19:

Matthews:
Kapanen+Marleau+Johnsson: 56 goals 68 assists
Eichel:
Skinner+Reinhart+Pominville: 78 goals 81 assists
Rekt.

Uhhh would you like to explain why Tavares/Rielly/Marner are left out?

Also interesting that you completely ignored 19/20 as well... Not surprised you left out the three highest scoring players on the Leafs

Wanna post those too? Im going to guess no.

 

[Lainehasaweirdface]

Uhhh would you like to explain why Tavares/Rielly/Marner are left out?

Also interesting that you completely ignored 19/20 as well... Not surprised you left out the three highest scoring players on the Leafs

Wanna post those too? Im going to guess no.

I did their linemates, you know.. the guys they actually play with.

I don't need to do 2019/20 because the whole point of that was to show that Matthews has produced at the same level points wise and way outproduced Eichel in goals, with worse QoT. Which he did. Its okay, take your time, you'll figure it out eventually, big fella.

 

[Joe n]

I listed the last two seasons, not their career. What they did as rookies is entirely irrelevant to whos the better player today.

everyone keeps mentioning he has always had better linemates which is not true. His first 2 years his linemates were at best equal to Eichels

 

[Dache]

Lmao eat crow on that QoC argument bud. Here, let me do it for you for both for 2018-19:

Matthews:
Kapanen+Marleau+Johnsson: 56 goals 68 assists
Eichel:
Skinner+Reinhart+Pominville: 78 goals 81 assists
Rekt.

Out of curiousity, why is Nylander left out?
And yes I see you did linemates, but that poster did say teammates. Again, this is all stemming from the playoff success = better player argument. Not sure rekt really applies

 

[Dache]

everyone keeps mentioning he has always had better linemates which is not true. His first 2 years his linemates were at best equal to Eichels

I don’t think anyone has said he “always” has better linemates. He has had a better team, and very often better linemates

 

[aufheben]

I can't believe nobody has ever asked this question before.

Which is crazy considering how fascinating and important it is.

 

[Dache]

Marner has more points than Eichel since the start of the 2018-19 season.

Actually wouldn’t it be Marner > Eichel > Matthews then? Or why does the criteria flip half way through? That you leafsnation75?

 

[A1LeafNation]

Actually wouldn’t it be Marner > Eichel > Matthews then? Or why does the criteria flip half way through? That you leafsnation75?

Matthews would have more than Eichel if he played 7 more games in that time.

...and close to 30 more goals. Lol

 

[Dache]

Matthews would have more than Eichel if he played 7 more games in that time.

...and close to 30 more goals. Lol

So yes, changing criteria. And I guess Marner has just as many goals as Eichel? Lol

 

[DJB]

Marner has more points than Eichel since the start of the 2018-19 season.

Matthews > Marner > Eichel.

Don't ever change dude. You are the same from the SN forum days.

 

[A1LeafNation]

So yes, changing criteria. And I guess Marner has just as many goals as Eichel? Lol

Alright criteria changed. I'll be just as ignorant as the rest of this thread lol.

Matthews > Marner > Eichel

 

[Lainehasaweirdface]

Out of curiousity, why is Nylander left out?
And yes I see you did linemates, but that poster did say teammates. Again, this is all stemming from the playoff success = better player argument. Not sure rekt really applies

No, this is from the Matthews has better linemates therefore his scoring can be discounted argument, keep up. I don't care whether he said linemates or teammates, the teammates who don't play with you don't really factor into your scoring as much as the ones who do, didn't think I'd ever have to explain that. I did each player's 3 most common linemates, all situations. Pretty self explanatory why Nylander isn't there.

 

[Dache]

Alright criteria changed. I'll be just as ignorant as the rest of this thread lol.

Matthews > Marner > Eichel

At least you’re admitting you’re ignorant I guess. Cause no one can agree with the leafs about who the best players are otherwise you’re ignorant.

 

[Dache]

No, this is from the Matthews has better linemates therefore his scoring can be discounted argument, keep up. I don't care whether he said linemates or teammates, the teammates who don't play with you don't really factor into your scoring as much as the ones who do. I did each player's 3 most common linemates, all situations. Pretty self explanatory why Nylander isn't there.

Got to love the “I don’t care” what the poster said that I’m responding to, cause I’m posting these stats instead comment. Followed by “rekt” of course.

 

[A1LeafNation]

At least you’re admitting you’re ignorant I guess. Cause no one can agree with the leafs about who the best players are otherwise you’re ignorant.

I have to match the rest of this thread. It's the only way it makes sense.