Is it too early to say that the Pacioretty trade is looking really, really bad?
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Billy Kvcmu
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I don't think anyone would have predicted this, but I think it's more of a "Vegas isn't doing so hot this year and Montreal is doing very well this year" than anything else.
David Suzuki
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I mean tbf a lot of Habs fans did predict it lol. The Habs board has thought very little of Patches for a long time now.
Tatar wasn't a good fit in Vegas regardless of Pacioretty's lack of production.
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Yeah it's too early, let's re-visit later in the season. Pacioretty is known to be streaky and so is Tatar who got 6 of those 8 points in 2 games.
Kamiccolo
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Well the whole situation was handled poorly. They overpaid for Tatar in the first place, but the 2nd deal is even worse.
They paid a top prospect, added a draft pick for a guy who might not be a fit either, and gave him a 7M contract after a very poor year.
If the trade keeps trending this way, it could turn into Vegas moving multiple firsts (Suzuki, the first for Tatar) + 2nd + for a cap dump.
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As a Habs fan, I would like to chime in:
Pacioretty was great for the Habs for several seasons and was a consistent goal scorer between 2012 and 2017. On top of that, he was on a great contract.
However, it seems Vegas is paying more for his past accomplishments than his future upside. He really slowed down in the 2015-2016 season in terms of his speed and would no longer be able to beat players with his speed and had to rely more on his positioning to get in prime scoring spots. I still think he will be ok with Vegas but I do not expect him to get multiple 30 goals seasons anymore. He lost speed, does not go in dirty areas and relies heavily on the play-making of others to get goals and points. To be honest, I see him more of a 20-25 goals, 45 points kind of guy and that is certainly not worth $7M.
I was very happy of the return Bergevin has been able to get for him. No only did he get one of their best prospects, he got a pretty good player in Tatar back and a second round pick on top of that which might be a high pick by the looks of it.
Pacioretty was great for the Habs for several seasons and was a consistent goal scorer between 2012 and 2017. On top of that, he was on a great contract.
However, it seems Vegas is paying more for his past accomplishments than his future upside. He really slowed down in the 2015-2016 season in terms of his speed and would no longer be able to beat players with his speed and had to rely more on his positioning to get in prime scoring spots. I still think he will be ok with Vegas but I do not expect him to get multiple 30 goals seasons anymore. He lost speed, does not go in dirty areas and relies heavily on the play-making of others to get goals and points. To be honest, I see him more of a 20-25 goals, 45 points kind of guy and that is certainly not worth $7M.
I was very happy of the return Bergevin has been able to get for him. No only did he get one of their best prospects, he got a pretty good player in Tatar back and a second round pick on top of that which might be a high pick by the looks of it.
It was always bad. The "we can only judge in hindsight" stuff is stupid. You can't criticize a GM for things he couldn't know at the time. He only has the info he has. But Patches was never a huge upgrade on Tatar, he's getting old, and Suzuki is a real legit prospect.
SSJ3 Lunar
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It's not even 10 games in, people really think the Habs are going to play better in the long run than Vegas?
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Not too early to say the extension is looking bad.
Who would have thought 12 months ago that Vegas would finish with 38 more points than Montreal? Stuff happens.
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It's possibly a tad too early to say that it's really, really bad, but it's not too early to say that it's looking really, really bad.
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Tatar had 36 points in 90 games last season..... yeah we're going to need to see a lot more to erase those horrific numbers.
MXD
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I think that was people are saying is that Pacioretty may have started his decline last season... that is, two seasons before his 19-20 extension kicking in.
I think the extension for Patches was bad. The trade is hard to say right now. I don't expect Tatar to keep up an almost point a game pace. I think he will likely be in the 55~ point range like he usually is when his team is clicking. A lot also hinges on how good Suzuki can become. If Vegas can't replicate the success or at least close to it and eventually drops in the standings over the next few years and becomes a bottom feeder. That trade could look really really bad if Suzuki develops into a good top 6 player.
MXD
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You realize that this is exactly ONE point less than Max Pacioretty last season, who as a 7X4 extension kicking in NEXT season and who is older... right?
This is why people are calling this deal awful for Vegas. Tatar's performance doesn't have much to do with it.
MXD
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Tomas Tatar ... well, wasn't quite a salary dump, because he isn't a wasteful asset by any stretch, but was clearly NOT the big piece in the deal.
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This is what it looks like when an NHL team reverts back in the pumpkin after the Cinderella run. If you tally up the picks packaged to get Tatar. Then Pacioretty, it's enough to really stunt the Knights long term.
Veleno
Suzuki
2nd
2nd
3rd
for
Pacioretty?
That's a Toronto Maple Leaf special.
Veleno
Suzuki
2nd
2nd
3rd
for
Pacioretty?
That's a Toronto Maple Leaf special.
MXD
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... And then don't forget the assets Montreal may get when/if flipping Tatar before the latter turning UFA.
And the best of it all?
IT ALL STEMS FROM CRAIG RIVET!!!!
Not only Bergevin won this trade, the Domi one also looks really good too
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The trade looks bad mainly because the trade for Tatar in the first place was bad.
