And I don't see anyone arguing against Howe's greatness being a real hockey fan. Either that or they're so new to the sport that they over value analytics or advanced statistics to the n'th degree. That not being the case, they're simply out of touch with reality. I mean I never saw Joe Malone, Milt Schmidt, or Rocket Richard play live. But strictly based on people who's opinions I highly do respect, and accounts of said players, I would never call their greatness into question.