Is Fleury Vezina level Goalie?

[User9992]

Is Flower really a Vezina level Goalie?

Seems like Vegas are better with Lehner.

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[lawrence]

Is Flower really a Vezina level Goalie?

Seems like Vegas are better with Lehner.

Well…… he did make farther than 27 other goalies at the moment……..

Also why are you calling him flower ?

 

[mattihp]

Well…… he did make farther than 27 other goalies at the moment……..

Also why are you calling him flower ?

Isn't flower one of his nicknames due to his last name?

 

[OrrNumber4]

In his one cup win, he wasn't. In his 2nd finals loss, he certainly was.

 

[RedLeader]

I mean this year he is, this was his first vezina nomination after all.

 

[Oddbob]

Well…… he did make farther than 27 other goalies at the moment……..

Also why are you calling him flower ?

You've never heard him called Flower before? He was called that like 10 years ago at least at this point.

 

[Reality Czech]

Fleury is a great goalie, but seems very streaky. I would have started Lehner in Game 5.

 

[ozzie]

Yes of course, even Hasek had brain farts. MAF just has them when the world is watching bringing his mental fortitude into question. But the kid can play.

 

[Black Kevin]

His likeable personality makes it easy to root for him. I want him to succeed, prove doubters wrong and win the Cup as a starter. He's one of my favorite players. That being said, he has zero Vezina's for a reason and his career isn't HHOF worthy.

 

[Web In Front]

Most overrated player of the last 20 years. Should never be allowed near the HHOF without paying admission.

 

[DickSmehlik]

There was another thread on the board discussing the best goaltender of the last 10 seasons, and MAF was ranked at the top or near the top wins wise but his save % was a putrid 19th in that timeframe.

He's been a good goalie but seems fortunate to have played for some great teams in his career.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Most overrated player of the last 20 years. Should never be allowed near the HHOF without paying admission.

I’ve said this for years. He has a career built around being in the right places at the right time.

 

[Burke the Legend]

I’ve said this for years. He has a career built around being in the right places at the right time.

He single handedly cost excellent Pens teams between 2010-2015 chances at deeper playoff runs with his total choke goaltending. Most of those years he is below .900 save % and has to be pulled out of games basically every year. They only win in 2015 & 2016 because after Fleury's usual failure they throw in a call up rookie to replace him who delivers them finally some legit goaltending they have desperately needed for half a decade. I'm not even a Pens fan and it makes me angry to see people praising him, I can only imagine the eye rolling that happens in Pittsburgh when Fleury the big letdown to hall of fame talk starts.

 

[BagHead]

There was another thread on the board discussing the best goaltender of the last 10 seasons, and MAF was ranked at the top or near the top wins wise but his save % was a putrid 19th in that timeframe.

He's been a good goalie but seems fortunate to have played for some great teams in his career.

That's half the battle to be considered one of the all time great goalies. Patrick Roy, Martin Brodeur, Ken Dryden, etc. Dominik Hasek is incredible because for much of his career he played for very mediocre Sabres squads and really elevated their results, but even he had some really good teams in front of him for at least 1/3 of his career, if not more. I hesitate to say Fleury is at their level, but he has seemed to get better with age and his story isn't quite written, yet. Anyway, any goalie that plays for great teams most of their career ends up looking great, that's my main point here.

 

[Shinjuku Calling]

Also why are you calling him flower ?

He's been called Flower much longer than you've been on HF

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

no, obviously not, and never has been. Him and Grubauer benefited from playing in an offensively weak division on stacked teams. Facing teams that couldn't score in a whorehouse with a fistfull of $100s (Anaheim, Arizona, San Jose, LA) inflated their stats. Neither are elite goalies.

 

[Hisch13r]

He deserves the Vezina this year so yes.

 

[socko]

Fleur - French Spelling of Flower.

 

[Khelandros]

I’ve said this for years. He has a career built around being in the right places at the right time.

So, Carey Price?

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

That's half the battle to be considered one of the all time great goalies. Patrick Roy, Martin Brodeur, Ken Dryden, etc. Dominik Hasek is incredible because for much of his career he played for very mediocre Sabres squads and really elevated their results, but even he had some really good teams in front of him for at least 1/3 of his career, if not more. I hesitate to say Fleury is at their level, but he has seemed to get better with age and his story isn't quite written, yet. Anyway, any goalie that plays for great teams most of their career ends up looking great, that's my main point here.

I think "hesitate" is putting it kindly. Fleury is most definitely not at the level of Hasek, Roy, Brodeur, Dryden. He's not even in that conversation.

He's a good goalie who started at a surprisingly young age for goaltenders, but he's never been elite for a significant stretch of time. His time in Vegas has been a really good second act for him, though he's always battled consistency issues and has a relatively long history of letting in brutal goals when it matters.

 

[nhlfan9191]

So, Carey Price?

Carey Price is the polar opposite of Fleury.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Well…… he did make farther than 27 other goalies at the moment……..

Also why are you calling him flower ?

That's been his nickname for nearly 20 years now...

 

[notsocommonsense]

Is Flower really a Vezina level Goalie?

Seems like Vegas are better with Lehner.

I’m guessing you’ve watched them play one game each this year

 

[VEGASKING]

He was nominated for the award this year so I'd say yes.

 

[deckercky]

Is Flower really a Vezina level Goalie?

Seems like Vegas are better with Lehner.

I can confidently say that Fleury played well enough this season to be nominated for the Vezina.