Is Delaware North in bigger trouble than we thought?

smithformeragent

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Always the dollars.

Always the f***ing dollars.
 

BruinsFanSince94

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Your reading comprehension seems to be lacking.

Nowhere did "stand up for" Jacobs.

Your quote: "Put a product on the ice that’s worth watching "

And again I will respond, are you serious? You don't think they put a product on the ice worth watching? Then why are you watching?

Fans care about wins. People who go to the games to watch want wins. Fans watch wins on the TV. Yep, there’s diehards like us here that will still watch, go and buy but the casual/50-50 fan will not. They’re the money maker at the end of the day.

If you put a mediocre product on the ice, watching will be limited. If fans aren’t going, money is being lost. Money being lost will lead to two things. More penny pinching or a revelation that something needs to change. The latter will always come to fruition. They usually give management a warning to change or management firings come. So with either, you get change. Change = money if it’s positive.

This is my point. I watch because I’m a Bruins fan until death. I love this team. I hate ownership and am not fond of management. Why? Because in my eyes, they are ruining a team that I love.
 
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BigBadBruins7708

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God I hope so...Here's to hoping Monty Burns finally sells the damn team

edit: I know he's a basketball focused guy but is Wyc looking for a hockey team? He has no problem spending top dollar for the best front office/coaches. Or paying big contracts. A real win at all costs owner
 

McGarnagle

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The logical thing is that the Celtics and Bruins should probably have the same ownership group, but does Wyc have the cash to pull that off?
 
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McGarnagle

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Probably not but Kraft and Henry do I am pretty sure.
I could see Fenway Sports Group buying the Bruins just so they can buy out their 10% of NESN and then flip the network to a major media group for net profit.

But in terms of on-ice product, a John Henry/Tom Werner led Bruins would be a clusterf*** of massive proportions.

I also believe there are some rules about NFL owners not being allowed to own franchises in other sports. But that can be a shell game, I think Kroenke transferred his interest in the Avs to one of his daughters or something when he bought the Rams, but might as well be the de facto owner. Bob can have Jonathan or one of the other kids officially own the Bruins and run it from Patriot Place.
 
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talkinaway

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That's baffling to me. Clearly there will be no games played before January at this point. How can you charge people for something that won't happen?

I know....Jacobs.

But still.

STHs always pay far in advance. In normal times, under the most generous 10-month plan, they pay in March for games that start in mid-to-late September (preseason), and pay in December for the last 4.4 games, which are usually in April or very late March. So we start paying 6 months in advance, and finish paying 4 months in advance.

But it's absolutely a legitimate question - WHY should STHs have to pay the bill for a season when there's absolutely no evidence that a single game is going to happen in the 2020 - 2021 season - at least not with fans in stands in Boston. STHs have now paid at least 80% of their season, or for over 35 home games. You can't tell me they're going to fit in even 35 home games with fans in stands. Broadway in NYC is closed until (at least) the end of May, and those theaters are small - the largest has 1,933 seats. I can't see the Garden opening significantly sooner than that.

Communication has been absolutely mute. In a way, I get it - the Bruins have to hear what the NHL's plan is, and so far, the NHL has said, "Idunno." The only communication thus far is that Bettman's moved the earliest start date from December to January. No way the City of Boston will let fans in the Garden by then - and no way will it be safe for 17,000+ fans, many of whom take the T, to enter the Garden.

It'd be nice to see what the Bruins plan to do. Many teams are saying, "Keep your money with us for 2020-21, and we'll give you 10% credit." That might look good, but as I see it, between COVID, the year-to-year price hike that they STILL applied back in March that I literally thought was a mistake, and the reconfigured arena with smaller seats, there's no way my seat is worth 90.909% of what I paid for it back in March.

As far as Delaware North, they can pound sand. Jacobs should have bought his beloved Sabres if he can't stand to watch an entire Bruins playoff game.
 

Dennis Bonvie

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Fans care about wins. People who go to the games to watch want wins. Fans watch wins on the TV. Yep, there’s diehards like us here that will still watch, go and buy but the casual/50-50 fan will not. They’re the money maker at the end of the day.

If you put a mediocre product on the ice, watching will be limited. If fans aren’t going, money is being lost. Money being lost will lead to two things. More penny pinching or a revelation that something needs to change. The latter will always come to fruition. They usually give management a warning to change or management firings come. So with either, you get change. Change = money if it’s positive.

This is my point. I watch because I’m a Bruins fan until death. I love this team. I hate ownership and am not fond of management. Why? Because in my eyes, they are ruining a team that I love.

They are not putting a mediocre product on the ice.
 

BruinsFanSince94

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They are not putting a mediocre product on the ice.

I’m sorry but if they don’t make a few more additions that significantly upgrade key spots in the lineup, they easily have potential to lose a lot of games.

losses = mediocrity = disinterest = less money = continued mediocrity and the cycle continues.

the casual fan does not care about Zboril and Lauzon and if the losses follow they will not care about following.

the hardcore fan is not the driving force to money making for the Bruins. The schlep casual does. As much as it sucks to say.
 
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Dennis Bonvie

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I’m sorry but if they don’t make a few more additions that significantly upgrade key spots in the lineup, they easily have potential to lose a lot of games.

losses = mediocrity = disinterest = less money = continued mediocrity and the cycle continues.

the casual fan does not care about Zboril and Lauzon and if the losses follow they will not care about following.

the hardcore fan is not the driving force to money making for the Bruins. The schlep casual does. As much as it sucks to say.

Finally something to agree with.

Still, that hasn't happened yet.
 
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BruinsFanSince94

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Finally something to agree with.

Still, that hasn't happened yet.

Only took this long? Lmao.

You’re right. It’s all hypothetical at this point. I guess I’m just saying what could and would happen if the Bruins flounder. That vicious cycle that goes back to the owner not wanting to spend because his business is taking a hit.
 

JRull86

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And you thought the 80s/90s Bruins were cheap... the Kraft regime has been notoriously stingy with signings of players that deserve money. I don't know how much of that is Kraft or Bill, but it may not be a good choice.
Most of that is Belichick and how he runs the team. It's clearly worked out for them.
 

TD Charlie

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Let's be realistic - It is VERY doubtful fans will be allowed next season.

AND if they are many will hesitate to go.

I have no plans to enter the building next season. Should there be fans, and Garden employees are called back to work, I would hope that the union bargains for those that don't feel comfortable returning to work just yet. I know the contracts with concessions in particular are dicey, and this next one could get ugly.
 
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talkinaway

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I have no plans to enter the building next season. Should there be fans, and Garden employees are called back to work, I would hope that the union bargains for those that don't feel comfortable returning to work just yet. I know the contracts with concessions in particular are dicey, and this next one could get ugly.

I second this as a fan. Playoff games? Maybe, if there's a safe, effective, tested vaccine by June or July. Which I doubt will happen. And we have to make the playoffs to begin with, so....but even if we made the playoffs, I'd probably just skip and watch at home.

I agree 100% about letting people who don't feel comfortable working stay home. If there's one place that's high risk, it's an arena where 17,000 people, typically from multiple states and multiple countries, converge. You shouldn't have to go to work if you feel it's dangerous, and your "place in line" (seniority, job opening, etc.) should be held.

Hopefully they do the same thing for fans. I'm technically on the hook for any home games that they want to charge me for in the 2020-21 season. If I feel they're rushing it, I should be able to - at the VERY least - be able to get back 100% of face value/fees from the Bruins. Even better would be if they held my seat for the 2021-22 season. And it's not just an advantage to me - it's an advantage to the Bruins, as well. Imagine the Globe headline: "100 Bruins fans infected, 6 die" and the subheading: "Four of the fans STHs, aged 70+, could not get refunded for 2020-21 season". It's fundamentally the same reason they have to cancel games in the winter for snow, even when both teams are already there - you're creating an attractive nuisance that puts the public at risk.
 
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Fenian24

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Jeremy Jacobs historically never sells an asset but last week he sold a casino in Illinois for $60 million LESS than he paid for it and the buyer was Twin Rivers from RI.

Delaware North to sell Illinois casino for $120 million

A month ago DN had massive layoffs in the Buffalo area

https://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/news/2020/09/16/why-delaware-north-made-deep-cuts.html

Among the issues:
  • Sports stadiums: Delaware North provides food, beverage and retail services at more than 50 sports stadiums, including Bills Stadium and KeyBank Center, all of which have been shut down since mid-March. Sports venues account for more than $1 billion annually in revenues for the company.
  • Airports: Restaurant and retail sales in the 25 airports serviced by Delaware North are down by 80% because of the lack of air travelers.
  • Gaming: The 10 casinos operated by Delaware North are running with limited capacity and restrictions.
  • Tourist destinations: Visits are also down dramatically at key tourism destinations where Delaware North has operations, such as the Kennedy Space Center Complex near Cape Canaveral and Niagara Falls State Park.
Here in Boston, the touted Hub on Causeway was built for massive foot traffic from the Garden and North Station - The Garden has been closed since March and the commuter rail is down 90%

On the surface, this doesn't look good.
I understand this would negatively effect the Bruins but the thought of Monty Burns ending up like Mortimer and Randell Duke from Trading Places fills my black heart with joy.
 

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