HockeySniper
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Crosby had 15 goals and 31 points and played defense.
Ovechkin had 15 goals and 27 points and didn't play defense.
How is Ovechkin's Smythe Run (which should have gone to Evgeny Kuznetsov) better? That is ridiculous.
How is Mike Gartner having more goals than someone relevant at all? He's not #1, and if he was - yeah I think he'd probably be remembered as better than either Messier or Yzerman.
My point is IF Ovie gets to 895, then he will be looked at by future generations (that's the part I don't think you're focusing on enough here) as the better player. That is assuming Crosby's point totals are in the Dionne range, which I feel is entirely fair. If Ovie falls short, then I don't think any of this applies.
was not referring to malkin directly helping Crosby. Im saying his team doesn't keep advancing to the next round each year giving him more opportunities to accumulate points without malkin. not going to look it up but the years only 1 of them was there pitt didn't do well in the playoffs.
OV is already better. Crosby is grossly overrated due to the Canadian factor.
One guy will likely have stats slightly worse than Marcel Dionne, and the other will be #1 all-time in goals. Who do you think future generations will 'remember' more?
WE might know Crosby was the better player for a longer period, but the history books won't show it that way if Ovie scores 895+
OV is already better. Crosby is grossly overrated due to the Canadian factor.
He is absolutely right though:Possibly the weakest argument ever in this debate.
He is absolutely right though:
The Canadian media prefer Crosby three times more than Ovechkin:
But worldwide YouTube audience prefer Ovechkin:
One guy will likely have stats slightly worse than Marcel Dionne, and the other will be #1 all-time in goals. Who do you think future generations will 'remember' more?
WE might know Crosby was the better player for a longer period, but the history books won't show it that way if Ovie scores 895+
In terms of what? Overall game? If that’s the case Gretzky isn’t the best player of all time
Here is the table from 2018 (Ovi's cup):As for the first table you posted a guy who has been the much better playoff and international player is going to get more written about him, unless of course you except the hockey (or any media) to write about what Ovechkin is doing while crosby is playing in the SC playoffs right?
Here is the table from 2018 (Ovi's cup):
Even then Sid mentioned 2 times more in the Canadian media (Ovechkin peaked only once).
And youtubers far more objective as always:
Ovechkin already has 6 more awards, but the Canadian media makes Crosby greater than he is.The weak argument continues again, youtubers are looking for highlights not indicating on which player is better or not.
I guess if Ovechkin was canadian he would have won more awards right?
Ovechkin already has 6 more awards, but the Canadian media makes Crosby greater than he is.
You are right youtubers watching highlights and Ovechkin's entire career is highlight.
.Ovechkin already has 6 more awards, but the Canadian media makes Crosby greater than he is.
You are right youtubers watching highlights and Ovechkin's entire career is highlight.
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Another demonstration of favoritism is the Canadian dominated hockey media nominated Crosby as a top 3 player twice more than the players (7-5) whereas the players nominated Ovechkin as a top 3 player more than the media (6-5).
So basically the media is more pro Crosby than the players.
So 7-5 compared to 6-5 is some kind of Canadian media bias?
It's not 7-5 vs 6-5. That would be a difference of 1 event.
It's 7-5 vs 5-6 (media vs players)
So the media bumped Crosby up twice and Ovechkin down once compared to the players. It's a difference of three events.
Different players with different roles and cast. It’s hard to compare. And Crosby has also what 40 more games played in playoffsCrosby has scored more points in a season. Their points per game in their best periods of time whether it be half, 1-3 seasons etc. are nearly dead even and career goes to Crosby easily. He is and has been a better defensive player as well with more playoff points in total and on a per game basis, even though that is largely out of Ovechkin's control. It's not the same thing at all.
It's not 7-5 vs 6-5. That would be a difference of 1 event.
It's 7-5 vs 5-6 (media vs players)
So the media bumped Crosby up twice and Ovechkin down once compared to the players. It's a difference of three events.
So, either way it's close, with Crosby being injured for some of his best years.
Different players with different roles and cast. It’s hard to compare. And Crosby has also what 40 more games played in playoffs