Is Barry Trotz a HOF coach now?

[895]

5th in all time wins and will almost certainly eclipse Arbour if he coaches another season.

The only knock on him was lack of Stanley Cup and now he has that.

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[Canadiens1958]

No. Losing record in the playoffs 55 and 58.

Barry Trotz NHL & WHA Hockey Coaching Record | Hockey-Reference.com

 

[Michael Farkas]

What did he do...?

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

There is no HHOF category for coaches. The category is for builders. Someone like Joel Quenneville helped build the Chicago Blackhawks. Can we really say Trotz helped build a historically memorable team? I don't think he has yet.

(Yes, I know the HHOF Committee sometimes breaks their own rules).

 

[Say Hey Kid]

There is no HHOF category for coaches. ...

First ballot HHoFers are the same way. Yes, some guys get in the first time, but people talk about it as if it's some officially recognized category by the HHoF, but it's not.

 

[SlickHands]

There is no HHOF category for coaches. The category is for builders. Someone like Joel Quenneville helped build the Chicago Blackhawks. Can we really say Trotz helped build a historically memorable team? I don't think he has yet.

(Yes, I know the HHOF Committee sometimes breaks their own rules).

Uh... two things... For one, "builders" is just a generic catch all title for owners, coaches, and general managers. It sounds better than calling it white guys in suits. Plenty of the coaches in the hall of fame have gotten in because of their coaching ability and not their team building ability (Pat Burns never coached anywhere longer than 4 seasons, and his one cup came in his first year with the franchise).

This is the actual description for the Hall of Fame's website (which I think it still hosted on Geocities): Coaching, managerial or executive ability, or ability in another significant off-ice role, sportsmanship, character and contributions to his or her organization or organizations and to the game of hockey in general. The criteria isn't strictly building something.

Also, while I wouldn't say the Predators had a "historically" significant team under his tenure, he built a very competitive program from the ground up there that had the unenviable task of competing against the dynasty era Red Wings.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Uh... two things... For one, "builders" is just a generic catch all title for owners, coaches, and general managers. It sounds better than calling it white guys in suits. Plenty of the coaches in the hall of fame have gotten in because of their coaching ability and not their team building ability (Pat Burns never coached anywhere longer than 4 seasons, and his one cup came in his first year with the franchise).

This is the actual description for the Hall of Fame's website (which I think it still hosted on Geocities): Coaching, managerial or executive ability, or ability in another significant off-ice role, sportsmanship, character and contributions to his or her organization or organizations and to the game of hockey in general. The criteria isn't strictly building something.

Also, while I wouldn't say the Predators had a "historically" significant team under his tenure, he built a very competitive program from the ground up there that had the unenviable task of competing against the dynasty era Red Wings.

When I said "I realize the HHOF sometimes breaks their own rules," I was specifically thinking about Pat Burns, who IMO was inducted at least partly based on emotional appeal by the media.

A counter-example to your Pat Burns - why isn't Cecil Hart in the HHOF? It's actually very rare for a coach to be enshrined who wasn't also in management at some point in his career. And most of the non-GM coaches enshrined were major innovators in some way (like Roger Neilson's use of video).

Anyway, IMO, Trotz isn't there yet, but he very well could be eventually.

 

[BigFatCat999]

HOF, not first ballot yet but not done.

 

[Howie Hodge]

No. Losing record in the playoffs 55 and 58.

Barry Trotz NHL & WHA Hockey Coaching Record | Hockey-Reference.com

Yikes; Barry Trotz is younger than I am......

 

[tony d]

Still don't think he is but if he did make it in I wouldn't have an issue with it.

 

[Ishdul]

Besides Quenneville I'm not really sure how the current coaches will fit in the Hall. I feel like every good coach sticks around for 20+ years no matter what.

 

[brachyrynchos]

That's like asking if Lundqvist is getting into the HHOF. Too early.

 

[justafan22]

Besides Quenneville I'm not really sure how the current coaches will fit in the Hall. I feel like every good coach sticks around for 20+ years no matter what.

babcock will be in due to team canada success + his cup

 

[reckoning]

I honestly don't see a reason why Trotz's career should be rated ahead of Peter Laviolette's. Quenneville and Babcock are both obviously ahead of him.

Trotz's number of wins in his career looks nice, but doesn't mean much. It's amazing how getting rid of ties has rocketed modern-day coaches and goalies up the all-time wins lists.